Actually, when one of Jamie's clones dies, it briefly knocks him (the original) out for a moment or two. And Jamie DOES have limits--in the original X-Factor run, he grew exhausted after producing 40 Dupes. It's increased since then, but it still has limits. (The New X-Men issue where Xavier hijacks Jamie's nervous system doesn't count--Prof. X couldn't feel the exhaustion, so he was able to take Multiple Man past his limits.)
And anyway, Jamie doesn't produce new clones if he's dead. One swipe from the claws will end this fight.
Escaping in that scenario benefited both the dupes and the original, whereas being gouged by Wolverine won't. After the first few go in and get themselves killed, the others won't be so easily willing to jump in. You don't know how the dupes will react (as seen constantly in that canceled series) and as I said, there is a possibility that one or more might betray him. Put him against someone the likes of Gambit or Meltdown and he'll clean the floor with them (as proven). With Wolverine, unless he has a definite strategy that doesn't require him to jump straight in, he will fall.
During his first member appearance in X-Factor, one of his dupes gets killed, but there is no mentioning of him being knocked out (just traumatized at seeing the murder). He does, however get temporary athmesia when a dupe dies after a failed attempt by Haven to cure him from the legacy virus. All other encounters I can think of, such as the dupes being fried by the Helles Belles or by Mystique in X-Corps never showed him being affected (original).
In the Madrox mini series, he's knocked out when he absorbs a dying dupe, and momentarily stunned when one of his dupes is grazed with a bullet. That series is by PAD, so I doubt it's inconsistent with most of his written appearances.
Joe Casey's a great writer, but I doubt he knew about that limitation on Madrox's power (hotshot writers these days seem to consider themselves above knowing little details like that.... ¬¬)
I think if the dupes know the circumstances, theyd fight. Especially against Wolverine. Basically, if one of them sees that Wolvie killed one, sure hed go after the rest of them. Because they do have emotion and can think for themselves, they wouldnt want to die. They would also know that it would be wiser to trus Jamie than to backstab him, then get backstabed by Wolverine. At least Jamie would be able to absorb to stop from death. True one could betray him, but there would be more that would be for him.
Yeah, but it doesn't specify that Madrox gets any weapons.... so it's 50-60 guys with their bare hands vs a martial arts master with claws that can cut through anything.... this fight takes all of 50 sec, Wolverine just tears his way through a mob of Jamies and makes a straight B-Line to the original. Then the fight's over.
Who says Jamie isn't a martial arts master? He's sent out tons of dupes to train all year round and they come back and absorb back into him, he regains their knowledge and such.
His limit has been raised exponentially, perhaps none at all.
True, it doesnt say if Jamie gets weapons. The Jamies are also very good with the martial arts as well. No masters, but pretty good. And Wolvies claws can cut through ALMOST anything.
They might be good at martial arts, but they're still just ordinary humans. They strike Wolverine just about anywhere, they'll break their limbs on his adamantium bones. If they try to swarm him, then their own numbers will work against them, as they have nowhere to evade Wolverine's claws.
It's like Wolverine vs a horde of Hand ninja, only the ninjas don't have swords.
But seriously, I don't even have to futilly try and point out all the repeated instances where Wolverine has demonstrated metahuman strength.... Multiple Man is nowhere near peak human strength, and there's no way in hell he could hold down Wolverine, even at Logan's lowest projected strength level.
Any dupes that got near Wolverine would get torn up. Even if you ignore Wolverine's superior training, experience, and broader knowledge of the martial arts (the only thing we know is that one of Jamie's clones spent a few years in a Shao-Lin monastary, and that guy didn't look particularly violent), even THEN--one of these guys has adamantium claws, the other has his bare hands.
This isn't a fight. This is a slaughter. How big the slaughter is just depends on how many poor Dupes Wolverine has to slice his way through.
Multiple doesnt have to be at peakhuman strength. If 30 guys dogpile Wolverine, hes not lifting them off.
True, many dupes would get slashed and stabbed, but Jamie could make more. So because the monk didnt look violent, means he isnt? Anyways, it hasnt been said if outside weapons are used or whatnot. But from what ive heard, Daredevil once took Wolverine down with a chop in the throat. Also a kitana blade seems to put him down as well. All im saying is that you never know and Jamie has a good chance of beating him depending on certain things.
You think Cap couldn't toss off 30 normal guys? Not that Wolvrine has to. If the Dupes are dumb enough to actually pile on top of each other, and try to hold Wolverine down through sheer weight, he'll just slash his way through them, and they won't even be able to stop him because they're holding each other down too.
This requires Jamie to act massively OOC. He hates to see his Dupes die (understandably), and I can't see him ever even trying to use them like cannon fodder. If he was in some situation where he knew that if he made an army of Dupes most of them would die, he'd try to think of some other way.
Assuming the Dupes just pick up whatever's handy (and as there's an army of them, they'd probably run out of convenient items fairly quick) that makes it a bunch of guys with iron pipes and table legs versus a guy with adamantium claws. Still no dice. Jamie would need a serious weapon like Cap's shield or Gambit's adamantium staff.
From what I've heard, Wolverine once survived a nuke while he was at ground zero. That doesn't make it valid for use in a debate.
You want to give Jamie a katana? Fine. It's too large and heavy for him to replicate with, so only the original gets it. (Or a lone dupe, if he passes it off. Logan intentionally drops his guard. Jamie stabs Wolverine in the stomach. Wolverine uses his own body to hold down Jamie's sword, and while Madrox's guard is momentarily forced down, Wovlerine slashes his throat out. End of the katana wielder.
Yeah, tie Wolverine down with adamantium cables and put Jamie at the wheel of a steam roller.....
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Wolvie could track him down. He could make it his mission in life to track down dupes. Make Multiple Man his own personal hunt.
Multiple Man's one vulnerability is his dupes transfer one way. If Wolverine scents the real Jamie it's over. If he tags the source the rest of Jamie's clones will prob. go insane on the streets.
Wolvie has this fight wayyy covered.
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wolverine killed oer 10 thousand hand ninja by him self. he well running full speed was not even slowed when he had I think i count 20 to 25 ahnd ninjas on his back they were also all dead. he was not slowed in the least. thsi will be a slaughter. wolverine destroys them all. hell even if wolverien let them beat him they couldent possably kill him. also about the choking thing wolverine can survive with out air far longer then a normal human seen u wolverine vs tiger shark when they fought in the water.
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