The sytsem is great if you ignore the numerical values all together. I don't care how much a character can lift, i just want a stystem that hierachys the characters strength level.
My Stystem : (G.S. I know you don't like it, so there is no need for negative comments, )
Level 1 (Normal): A being who can Lift between 0~60 kg or anything under their own body weight. These people engage in moderate exercise (sometimes any way).
E.G. Me
Level 2(Peak Human): A being who can lift between their own body weight and twice their own body weight (80~300kg). This can be seen as athletic strength as those placed in this category take part in regular and strenuous exercise. N.B in the marvel universe 800 pounds is taken as the peak human level as any one who can lift over 800 pounds is considered Meta human.
E.G. Gambit, Cyclops, Batman
Level 3 (Enhanced Human): Beings at this level are considered as having strength that goes beyond the physical limits set by the human body. Usually an external element is involved increasing the strength.
E.G. Wolverine, Captain Ammerica
Level 4 (Superhuman Strength 1.): Characters at this level are depicted as having a lower form of Super Human Strength. They are often illustrated physically overpowering those at the Enhanced Human level and are shown performing feats that can only be duplicated by machinery or numerous individuals. They are portrayed at a lower level as there are various beings that can physically outmatch them.
E.G. Spiderman, Bane, Green Goblin
Level 5 (Superhuman Strength 2.): The Characters are still shown as having a lower form of super strength but are often portrayed as being superior to those at Level 4.
E.G. Carnage, Rogue, Smallville Superman
Level 6 (Mythical Beats Strength): The characters are generally considered by readers and writers as having strength that greatly exceeds the Superhuman level. Even in the fictional universes these characters are still perceived as being immensely strong. Although the exact limits of the characters strength are unknown, many are likely to be on par with heavy lifting devices. (The respective weights involved are therefore still within the boundaries of realism.) Although some may be able to perform feats that in a conventional universe are physically impossible. Note that the all of the characters are widely regarded as being weaker than those at the unearthly level. Although several have inconsistently displayed strength that would normally be associated as Demi God.
E.G. Thing, Rhino,
Level 7 ( Demi God Strength): In order to be regarded as having Unearthly strength, the character must regularly exhibit power FAR beyond the Mythical Beast level. Some of the characters have shown that they can surpass the immense strength of modern age heavy machinery. Many have illustrated feats that should be physically impossible due to their huge weight. Other’s have shown that they can match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat. Although the upper limits of the person’s strength remains a mystery we can gauge their strength by analysing their respective feats for reliability and accuracy. The consistency of the character performance is also noted.
E.G. Wonderman, Superboy, Mortal Herc, Abomination
Level 8 ( God Strength): These characters are usually illustrated as having superior strength to those at the Demi God level. Although regular fluctuations in their strength has made it difficult to gauge. Others have inconsistently displayed strength that truly dwarfs the standard Demi God Level. E.G. Infrequently demonstrating feats that can only be performed regularly by beings with Cosmic Might. Some have also performed impressive feats which are hard to measure against other universes (The denting of Captain America’s shield, the bending of Admantium).
E.G. Thor, Superman, Wonder Woman, Silver Surfer
Level 9 (Titan Strength): The Characters at this level are generally accepted as having strength that even surpasses the God Level. They Consistently exhibit strength at an impressive Demi God level without showing any form of physical exertion. They have also exhibited feats that can only be performed regularly by beings with Cosmic Might. Other’s at this level have shown that they can physically match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat.
E.G. Despero, Mangog, Destroyer, Kurse, Extreme Rage /Hulk, Thanos, King Thor, Odin, Pre Crisis Darksied,
Level 10 (Cosmic Might): In order to be regarded as having Level 10 strength, the being in question must have power on a truly incalculable scale. Although the limits of the beings strength have not been measured it is widely agreed (by writers and readers) that their strength is truly immeasurable. Note that such characters rarely exercise their physical strength, but if they chose to there would probably be no limit to what they could lift/move. (Note that ‘power inflation’ can lead to any being having level 10 strength
yahman, your system is pretty awesome in its comprehensiveness and flexibility
I like it
I think why people like the weight system is because people like concrete numbers that they can associate with (like a truck is 10 tonsetc) but the weight system is hard to work well when the spectrum of strength is so far off to either side
Nope their bar charts are wrong for quite a few x-men characters. (Apparrently rogues in the same class as Thing and colossus lol.) In the latest handbook it actually states he can lift 2 tons. Im aware of the upgrade. He could only lift a ton before.
My post clearly mentioned the handbook so you have no leg to stand on as per usual.
As ever it seems you misinterpreted and then quickly fired off your mouth.
The results always the same youngster. Sit back take the time to properly assess before making a contribution. Impulsiveness is ever a quality of the young and inexperienced.
Yahman's system is comprehensive and makes sense; it's just funny seeing guys like Superman and Thor rating only an 8, under it.
Anyone remember the old system for Transformers; 1-10? Optimus Prime and Megatron may have rated 10 in strength, but we all know there was at least four levels of 10 - Standard robot( Op, Meg etc.), Combined Super-Robot(Devastator, Superion etc.), Giant Robot(Omega Supreme, Trypticon etc.) and Planet Robot(Unicron and Primus).
We knew because Optimus rated a 10 didn't mean he was as strong as Omega Supreme. People just need to be realistic.
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i think that just proves everyones point really.. the whole MU has got thier thumbs up there asses, but as per beast's second mutation circa 2000-01 not only has he officially gotten hightened senses and a healing factor(tho not has profound as a wolverine or sbartooth.....the healing that is, his senses are up there with the best of them), but a strength upgrade as well. Beast could lift two tons from before he even had blue fur....trust me dude he can lift 40 tons now besides the info on marvel.com is done by the company itslef while the various encyclopedias are done by outsiders who get permission from marvel so if the main company website says he's class5, and i know for a fact that class5 starts at approx. 35-40 tons, i see no reason they would drag him back down, but still it all dpends on what volume you have read, for i believe theyre up to vol.9 now
Exactly. Thank you Yahman. Youre annoying questions come in handy when not directed at me
Beast before his secondary mutation could lift 2000 pounds which equals 1 ton. After his secondary mutation he can now lift 2 tons. Its right there in the X-men handbook where its actually stated. The bar chart sugests otherwise but then theres a number of bar charts throughout the handbook which conflict with the written information of the bio. Have you ever seen Beast pull off a rogue level feat? I collect X-men and i can assure he hasnt. I havent even seen him verge into Spiderman territory so anyone using a bit of common sense can see that the 2 ton figure is very much correct.
This whole 40 ton nonsense when someone misinterpreted marvels new rating system from the handbooks before last. Some poster started spouting the incorrect figure and everyone blindly believed him without checking up themselves.
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Sep 23rd, 2005 06:09 PM
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