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Its because "love " has no "higher meaning," despite our attempts to give it one.... we imagine that "love" is something special simply because we are told we are not animals.... in fact, "falling in love" is simply a mating signal.... "love," whether of the family or of others, is a herd-protection function.... just as "hate" and "fear" are.....


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Exactly, we presume love is something higher than it is because our lives are centered around the continuition of the species which means mating.

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I just hope that people will realise that the so called 'love' they are talking about is false.

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no the reason im checking out this thread is cause its there... unlike love... which isnt...


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Love make people do crazy things erm


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I just hope we can be free from the false love.

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Originally posted by debbiejo
I believe a person should be accepted and free to be who she/he is...If both do that then I believe it can only grow...Love should not be conditional....It has no restraints......There are many types of love, just most have conditions to it...People are who they are, some just can't see what it does to other person...


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Suffering in this world comes from egoism/selfishness/self-centeredness.

If everyone simply started to have compassion for all other people, then the world would have been a peacefull and loving place.

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yes ..yep...unconditional....seeing the positives and starting one person at a time....Hey...maybe it would even catch on..

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Re: love

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tell me why is there so much struggle and turmoil in this world?
everything comes in pairs...without stuggle and turmoil there wolud be no love, it only exists because it has an opposite. If there was no evil there would be no good, no pain - no pleasure and no hate - no love


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Re: Re: love

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everything comes in pairs...without stuggle and turmoil there wolud be no love, it only exists because it has an opposite. If there was no evil there would be no good, no pain - no pleasure and no hate - no love


Some would say love has no opposite ... some would say that the opposite of love is fear ... some would say that fear isn't really an opposite but a distortion of love.

Love as an energy expressed as love or fear still = love

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Re: Re: Re: love

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Some would say love has no opposite ... some would say that the opposite of love is fear ... some would say that fear isn't really an opposite but a distortion of love.

Love as an energy expressed as love or fear still = love


Though I tend to agree...and every thing seems to stem from opposites...Love=fear....there are sub categories......To know love, you must feel the lose of it....which means pain...sorrow...emptiness...etc.

Like the song "love hurts."

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We claim to have found the true meaning of love. Then tell me why is there so much struggle and turmoil in this world?

Too much
-Abuse,
-Jealousy,
-Cheating,
-And pretty much a loss of interest.


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Re: love

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We claim to have found the true meaning of love. Then tell me why is there so much struggle and turmoil in this world?


Because the collective "we" has not discovered Love. In fact, imo MOST people (including myself) have never experienced real Love, just love, that is to say, minor variations of True Love, something with value no doubt, but something of a lower order, diluted and temporal.

Also, imo, the reason we pair up as bf/gf or man & wife, aside from the obvious physiological drive to procreate, is because we instinctively sense that the answer to all these questions, to all the turmoil that essentially springs from out of mortal state of existence, can be found in the deep seated, almost scary deep Love that is always possible between a man and a woman. Not only do we compliment each other in a purely phisical or anatomical manner, there is also the possibility for union at the other end of the physical --> quantum --> spiritual spectrum. I mean, I can't even imagine how that would change one's world view, change the very definition of who or what "you" are. Idk, I only intuit these things, but if I go by my 'gut' feelings, I believe I'm on to something. My feeling is that real Love is a kind of Rosetta stone for a new age dawning, in this new century, this 3rd millennium. Actual selfless Love is almost completely uncharted territory but may in fact be the next logical step, the one that provides a doorway out of this morass, out of this limited life and in a very real sense, holds the promise for a means to feedback and perfect our world for the better and for the good of everyone. To think that the solutions to most of humanity's problems begins with surrender, with our falling into the arms and truely Loving hearts of those who Love us sounds so ridiculous, so trite, so romantic and yet . . . so True! For the very first time in the history of our species we have or are developing the technological capability to solve any problem in time. Why we don't, is because there is a vital term missing from the equations as currently applied, and without it nothing seems to be working. Even the best laid plans seem to be frustrated. While it's impossible to love everyone on earth, and who would want to, it IS possible, and I would say NECESSARY the everyone Love one other. Out of the transcendent miracle of True Loveas experienced between you and you're one other, we may then reach a point where together we courageously turn to face the world-at-large and begin to enrich it with something of that which we find in inexhaustible supply between each other. A generalized and sporadic or random outpouring of love as such, is certain to make this world a significantly better place to be. An intended, focused, patterned or specifically directed confluence of Love might be a force unstoppable, a new for of energy that can cure disease, vaporize planet killing asteroids and even move mountains, if needs be must. Two things about this: (1) this kind of Force would be self regulating i.e. dissipates if the intentions aren't pure and selfless. (2) how much Fun is it when the most profound thing you can do, for yourself and for the world-at-large, is to Love your betrothed?

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... sounds good on paper ... good luck with that Mr Anderton
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debbiejoe ... I know what you mean .... love is a paradox
and life, the universe and the world as we know it for that matter
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... sounds good on paper ... good luck with that Mr Anderton


If not that, then whats the point? Why not continue onward by oneself?

btw. awesome blowup smilie!!!!

and, what's the matter?

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If not that, then whats the point? Why not continue onward by oneself?

btw. awesome blowup smilie!!!!

and, what's the matter?


Well .... what is the point. I guess we all have to work that out at some time or another. And sometimes the 'point' can maybe change.

I kind of like the concept that you mentioned in your previous post. Who knows, maybe its actually possible. I guess it is up to individuals to decide whether it is worth persuing or not.

why did I post a blowup smilie? ... the paradox of love does my head in!!!

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Aw. Yeah, ditto. In fact I got a headache now. Hey, what time is it there! Shouldn't you be sleeping by now?

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nevermind - i got it - right now it's tomorrow at 2:20 PM for you all in Australia!

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