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No
Cause i don't want to.
Actually I think it can be in a good way. People will obviously some freedoms but it might be better for all of them overall. And of course it can be much better for humankind as a whole.
Hmm, yes. I mean, the way Plato presents his utopia in Republic is a case of point. Perfect (depending on how you looked at it), but as many experts have said - what it describes is basically a benign totalitarian state.
Still, there are pros and cons to any form of government - which are sometimes unbalanced, and when they don't work, well, it's terrible, and people inevitably remembers those failures, or corruptions.
A main one I can think of is that they often lack a body or mechanism to keep them in check - which is fine if they are going well, but if they go bad, then there is little anyone can do about it (short of the typical bloody coup)
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Platon's Utopian Society is in no way perfect though. It is actually horrible. But I don't think that it is the fault of totalitarian systems in general...in fact I thinkl a good totalitarian system can even be better than a good democratic one.
True, but that's what I meant by how you look at it. A lot of sacrifices made for massive state regulation of many things (including dancing) which apparently would bring about security, both of state and person, as well as stability which is argued as being conducive for learning and happiness and all that.
After all, we can even see such an argument being used and accepted in some of todays democracies.
But I agree, in spirit, though situations like in the Republic are still somewhat more appealing then say a 1984 kind of state - in the end I think it's all about balance, the right blend of state and personal powers. The right level of checks and balances. Totalitarian might be a dirty word, but it can have the potential to work, and if it does it works well - but when it doesn't, then it is highly detrimental to the state as a whole, and many people.
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I agree with you, but I think that there is a possibility to keep the sacrifices in a totalitarian system very low...and with the right leadership it might just be what Communism and Democracy cannot achieve (don't get me wrong I am a Libertarian by heart but theoretically speaking, it's possible)
Yes I agree. And likewise, I consider myself a libertarian, but a practical one, I would support the system, or the political party, that offers the most to the people of the state (if not the world) it represents. And in theory it is quite true. It's only unfortunate so many systems stumble when they go from theory to practice - Communism being the case in point.
Still, makes one wonder if humanity will find a way one day to overcome such problems.
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Reading that poll again..funny how only Communism and Nazism slightly fit as an answer. I mean, when did Democracy and Republic become a part of the Political Spectrum
Utilitarianism is pretty cool...I am quite a fan of John Stuart Mill...not really a "Political" View though, is it?
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