Revan was also able to discover arguably the two most valuable artifacts from Korriban - Ajunta Pall's sword and and Tulak Hord's holocron. BTW Glentract you are probably the biggest fanboy there is in this forum and you cannot see past the fact that the New Jedi Order was not that great.
Its actually very unlikely Kavar cut of Malak his jaw, its far more likely that Revan did it based on the evidence we have.
And Malak was considered the second greatest lightsaber duellist in his era, that doens't include Tulak Hord because Tulak Hord was dead... And if Kreia her quote is right then Tulak would also be better then Exar Kun.
I also don't see how Vodo his age makes him all powerful, really the evidence for Vodo is the same kind of evidence thats used for a lot of other people and easily thrown away. Btw: Vandar isn't young either, perhaps not 600 years old but he still calls Revan his greatest.
Kreia calls Revan the most powerful there was and she lived in the time of Kun. Does that make Revan more powerful? No... Its all a bullshit argument.
Point is, try to prove Vodo is more powerful then Malak. You can't, try to prove otherwise you can't. Ergo the entire argument is bullshit.
Start up a game of Kotor load a few levels or whatever, eventually it will say that Darth Revan and Malak fought for control Revan won and Malak took upon the role of apprentice.
Now what is more likely?
That a Jedi and a sith in a fight to the death would for some reason both end up hurting each other so badly that neither of them could continue to fight and that they would just have to run away. And that then for some reason Malak who was now unable to breath (just look at his wounds...) would find a Sith that would let him live and get out of there... And if he would have found a Sith then would there not have been more Sith that would in the same time go after Kavar who was also mortally wounded.
If there were Jedi there that saved Kavar when he retreated why didn't those Jedi finish of Malak, and if there were Sith there that saved Malak then why didn't they kill him to get a higher rank? Afterall kill the apprentice and you become the apprentice.
Revan on the other hand had no reason to kill Malak after he won the fight, in fact we know he didn't, he would have been in the middle of a sith group to make them know who trully controlled the Sith and he would have ordered somebody to restore Malak. Disobeying the Dark Lord means dead, so they wouldn't kill Malak to take his place in that particulair situation.
(I could go on and on about this but I think this explains enough)
Firstly I never said that it was likely Kavar sliced Malak's jaw. I was just disagreeing about the fact that Revan would have caused it. Are you sure that it says that on KOTOR though. I have just started playing it again so if it does I will most likely come across it.
Excuse me? I'm a NJO fanboy? When have I ever made a fanboy-like statement? I've always backed my statements up, which I might add, you do not as you have no proof that Revan got Ajunta Pall's sword or Tulak's holocron at all and have completely failed to make a valid argument for it or what the repercussions of him having those would be.
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Actually Ajunta Pall his blade has been confirmed by Kreia... Revan has the blade.. She also says it might be the reason he hasn't returned that perhaps the power of the blade destroyed him like it destroyed Ajunta Pall... Of course she isn't sure on that.
Tulak Hord his holocron, its unknown what happened to it. It would be the most logical assumption to make when we say Revan has it. I mean by the time when he once again becomes a Jedi or a Dark Lord he would know of the Holocron, if he's an idiot he would leave it alone if he has any brain he would claim it for his own (light or dark) if he hadn't done so already which is actually far more likely if you ask me. Still there is no prove for that and logical assumptions like this are easily thrown away in vs debates so i'm not even going to argue he has it.
Well you wave on about Kyp Durron like 24/7. Killing a leviathan and controlling a black hole isn't that impressive, but you rave on about him doing it. You also overrate Kam Solusar and Corran Horn. And I didn't make a valid argument for what I said because I wasn't that keen on getting into a long debate over it. look in the Ragnos vurses Luke thread and tou will see that I have backed up what I have said.
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Fishy is right, If you play KOTOR you see Revan get's Pall's blade and doesn't go insane controlling it, from what I understand. Also it is very unclear about Revan's disappearance into the outer rim as we all know, and it will all come together with KOTOR III
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What part of what I have said hasen't been backed up? I backed up the part about the true sith being followers. I was able to bring attention to the fact that there is no real proof to suggest Ragnos' power. There is nothing else I could have backed up so either you are seriously dumb and unable to interpret clear information given to you, or you still hold an internet grudge over me from the Tulak versus Yoda thread.
Well like Faunus said why would I hold a grudge over that?
the only thing is you haven't provided proof for anything, you said a lot of maybe's and perhaps and then stated them as true and asked to prove something thats already been stated as true.
You are going against what is stated and a theory backed up with no evidence but perhaps they were and perhaps they did this and perhaps they did that is not going to be accepted.
That doesn't compare to the strongest out of a 600 year period. The fact that you name a lot of people as if hoping to make Revan look more impressive people is stupid. If I can beat 10 people in a fight, but not at the same time, it doesn't make me uber or anything.
What I am trying to say that Vodo simply calling Exar the greatest Jedi ever doesn't amount to conclusive evidence that Exar is better than Revan. If you red Woot's post, then you would know what I was trying to get at. Revan has been called the best by many, however simply being called the best doesn't amount to clear evidence that the person in question really is the best.
No, not as destructive. Cut the fanboy BS.
Yes as destructive. Admit it. If you want to try to prove that it is not as destructive, I'll be happy to respond.
"You don't have any proof that being empowered by the SF makes you more powerful then Vodo"
He was not only empowered by it, he could control it. Bastila says so in the holocron on Korriban, that none of the Sith Lords (during the KOTOR time period) could control its power without being killed.
Vodo empowered his staff to become stronger than a lightsaber. The fact that he pulled this off really doesn't say much. NJO Luke didn't do this, DE Sidious didn't do this, Revan and Exar didn't do this (what a fun game it would be if you were forced to equip an empowered staff, eh?)Afterwards he lost to Kun. Not much huh?
The entire Jedi order feared Malak. They knew that the only chance they would have of defeating him is if they turned Revan against him.
The star forge is described as a giant space station with the power of a star. It could mass produce ships, but it also possessed immense darkside energies. When Revan fought Bastila, she was continually renewed by the power of the Star Forge, because she was Sith
The greatest lightsaber duelist?Then there is Tulak Hord, who is said by Traya to make more recent lightsaber fighters look like children with toys
The greatest lightsaber duelist other than Revan. We are talking about duelists after Tulak Hord. Tulak hord outclassing Malak doesn't count for much. Under the same logic from Kreia's quote, Hord would be a better duelist than Exar.
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Dude if you want a long debate go to the other thread. I know too little about these NJO characters and I cannot remember too much about Revan so I am quite uninformed on the subject.
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