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MOTHER ****ER....MOTHER ****ER....MOTHER ****ER. I ****ING HATE HIM! HE'S A PEICE OF SHIT! MOTHER ****ER!

They have been around for over 30 years and he couldn't show them enough respect to show them lose in a glaze of glory? **** YOU! You just spat in the faces of all the fans of Alpha Flight. **** YOU! YOU ****ING HACK!


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Originally posted by Quick Freeze
that's just horrible
it really is
and anyone who comes on here saying "wah wah people are just complaining about what's cool to complain about" thats about the epitome of douche baggery.

wow alpha flight not only are great characters but their history is ground breaking. they tackled homosexuality, adoption, aids, everything before the rest of comics even came close to thinking about it.

i'm not even gonna talk about why the way they died sucks because thats what everyone else can talk about but i'm mean ending such a progressive title with THAT???

and who gets to live? a female composite of the most popular hero and the token black guy??? characters like that shouldnt even be taken seriously.
F.U.C.K!!!


douche baggery!? laughing out loud That's why we let you in the KMC Authority! Nicely said though...with all of it.

...seriously, though...sorry Mungi. They should've at least had an epic and tear-jerking death, something like they gave to Barry Allen, for example. I don't even care about Alpha Flight and this pisses me off.

I'm imagining Spider-Man killed forever by a punk with a gun to try to imagine how you feel....and it sucks bigtime.


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I'm actually offended and really upset right now, you guys have no idea. My favorite characters killed off for no reason or no justice.

The assholes in newsarama I want to bitchslap.


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Is it stated later in the issue that they're actually dead?

They look pretty dead... But they might not be. Maybe the whole team is just KOed. Maybe none of them are dead at all.

I must be in the denial stage. I mean can anyone see Bendis write a final battle without a whole bunch of pointless deaths?


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They said this was their last battle, so I guess so. **** YOU BENDIS!


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One thing I want to know...how can the New Avengers, who had problems with ninjas, can even hope to beat this enemy, if it defeated Alpha Flight in a second?

I swear, if Wolverine or Cap end up saving the day, I WILL assassinate Bendis. I am THIS close to assassinating him now.


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I'm still very upset right now, I felt like shit before. Just imagine if they killed Namor off-panel, you would know how I feel.


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thats ridiculous

everyone has basically said what I would say, so no point in repeating it, but ya...

man, its like marvel sat down one day and was like "hey, lets compleatly bastardize all the characters that people love and marganilize are most loyal and hardcore fanbase to boost sales with stupid new gimmics!!!!"


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man it's like they digressed to early image comics time where they kill off awsome teams out of noware. I can't stand this crap


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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
One thing I want to know...how can the New Avengers, who had problems with ninjas, can even hope to beat this enemy, if it defeated Alpha Flight in a second?

I swear, if Wolverine or Cap end up saving the day, I WILL assassinate Bendis. I am THIS close to assassinating him now.
Well from the small amount of preview art, it looked like only the big guns, Ms. Marvel and Iron man, were fighting the Collective. And hopefully we'll finally see Sentry utilized more. But i agree, if we see Cap or Wolvie kicking the crap out of this Collective thing, then that will be one of the worst written comics ever.


I just got finished reading the issue and i have to say... McNiven is by far one of the best artists around right now. His work is top notch.

I am actually a big fan of this title. I re-read the whole run over the past few days and i realized just how much i actually like it. It's a great read. I've liked every single issue.

Issue 16 pissed me off to no end. And the main reason: 8 full page splashes. The first 8 pages are spent showing the Collective fall to earth. Each page a full page splash. Sure, they're great looking pages, but that whole sequence could've happened in 1, maybe 2 pages. And the rest could've been used to show Alpha Flight going out in a blaze of glory. But no.

Bendis had the space available in the comic to show the fight. If he's going to kill Alpha Flight he owes it to their fans to do it right. but instead he does in 4 pages, what he had the space to do in at least 10 pages. And to me, that's just one giant kick in the nuts to the Alpha Flight fans. And i've lost a lot of respect for the guy because of it.

That's what pissed me off most about this issue. Otherwise, i liked the Stark/Hill interaction.


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I'm still very upset right now, I felt like shit before. Just imagine if they killed Namor off-panel, you would know how I feel.


Exactly. sad

I just hope that there is be some kind of rule in Marvel that forbids them to kill their first character, no matter how underrated he is...

And lets just hope that they all did not die...I hope that Shaman and Sasquatch stay alive at least, they are my favorites from AF.

I don't understand. How did Marvel give a permission to take out that many important characters?


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Uhhhh...I'm going to be picking up the issue in an hour. I'm tempted to write Marvel a letter after this.


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Exactly. sad

I just hope that there is be some kind of rule in Marvel that forbids them to kill their first character, no matter how underrated he is...

And lets just hope that they all did not die...I hope that Shaman and Sasquatch stay alive at least, they are my favorites from AF.

I don't understand. How did Marvel give a permission to take out that many important characters?


theirs a list at the marvel offices of expendable characters. Characters that writers can kill off and characters they can't.


guess like poor alpha flight was on the death okay list. Makes you wonder who else is on that list


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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
One thing I want to know...how can the New Avengers, who had problems with ninjas, can even hope to beat this enemy, if it defeated Alpha Flight in a second?

I swear, if Wolverine or Cap end up saving the day, I WILL assassinate Bendis. I am THIS close to assassinating him now.


Mainly because the member of the one man team wasn't there ....

Spiderman 'Why do i get the feeling that the Sentry could have sorted that out in a second ? '

I say, go Sentry !!!!!!!!!!!! Kick some Collective asss .... do it for Canada


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
MOTHER ****ER....MOTHER ****ER....MOTHER ****ER. I ****ING HATE HIM! HE'S A PEICE OF SHIT! MOTHER ****ER!

They have been around for over 30 years and he couldn't show them enough respect to show them lose in a glaze of glory? **** YOU! You just spat in the faces of all the fans of Alpha Flight. **** YOU! YOU ****ING HACK!

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm actually offended and really upset right now, you guys have no idea. My favorite characters killed off for no reason or no justice.

The assholes in newsarama I want to bitchslap.


I feel bad for you, even though I have never picked up an Alpha Flight comic in my life.


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I would have been fine if they died the way the Freedom Fighters went out...they went out as heroes.


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Oh my god...this is too funny. People are actually giving their condolences to King Mungi like they just watched his grandfather die...

Seriously, though, my condolences, King Mungi. Alpha Flight will be missed. But they'll always live on in your respect threads.


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Oh my god...this is too funny. People are actually giving their condolences to King Mungi like they just watched his grandfather die...

Seriously, though, my condolences, King Mungi. Alpha Flight will be missed. But they'll always live on in your respect threads.


laughing out loud


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Oh my god...this is too funny. People are actually giving their condolences to King Mungi like they just watched his grandfather die...

Seriously, though, my condolences, King Mungi. Alpha Flight will be missed. But they'll always live on in your respect threads.


I'm still pissed off this happened and many others as well. So it's good I'm not the only one pissed off from this.

Thank you, they were groundbreakers that talked about people being gay, breast cancer, adoption, AIDS and various other things which was taboo in various other comics at that time.


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Yes but what your forgetting is that because different members of Alpha went to different time periods to try and help Flashback, lots of divergent realities were created. We all know that the real Alpha were never stolen from time, so it must have been one of these divergent Alpha Flights that came to this time. Sas had a team after AF vol 3 #12, the pseudo Alphans joined, they fought the 'Collective' and got battered. The real Alphans are in space on a space ship that got blown up in vol 1 so the Master of the World would be free of Plodex technology.

Or
"Meanwhile in a continuity free universe far away..."


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