dante wins sparda trigger and quicksilver.
dont post facts of wiki (NBT)
cloud could withstand 1-2 sword strikes
and theres loads of cloud vs topics because AC juct came out on dvd
you make some good points but lets take the materia crap out of this.
everyone keeps talking about dante's durability but apparently many of you are misinformed and misguided...or you just forget several things that will make the difference in this match. Cloud IS the one that took the masamune, a legendary sword that was considered unbeatable by even the devil himself, and still had the strength to beat sephiroth, both in FFVII and in AC. Both fighters have trumendous endurance.
First, the omnislash. it Is just basically a berserker mode form of it except if you pay attention to it it involves a large amount of energy gathered in the blade. Next the AC version, that's not an omnislash and it doesn't require the opponent to be in a circle, just the blades to be close enough for cloud to grab hold of them for the next atack, which he doesn't even need to grab them. try cross referencing that move with ssome of cloud's skills in his alternate appearance, namely, kingdom hearts. That "omnislash" is actually cloud's sonic blade technique, which is strikingly similar to dante's stinger technique but faster and more forceful.
have most of you forgotten that Loz had agility comparable to dante's because of the wrist device that he had and cloud took him and yazoo, who was shooting his guns, on at the same time. so agility can't be too large of a factor in this fight. NOt to mention that Dante's "wonderful speed" that you all keep referring to, seems to only be present in cutscenes where he has plenty of room to move about with lots of space initially between him and his opponent, which considering that cloud is consistent with close range combat, that is highly unlikely.
Now for dante's devil wake, I view it as just a berserker mode. So if we discredit the abilities of cloud's omnislash then we should discredit dante's devil wake, right? but for siple reasons, this being a contest of skill rather than popularity, we'll leave both aspects alone.(at least i will) and remember, dante's devil wake only lasts for a short time, which means that unleass he can win quickly while in that state, it won't do any good.
Next, let's discuss personality and battle styles. cloud has mastered a zweihander which as displayed in AC can break apart as well as wield a dual zweihander style, while Dante has exceptional skill in many fighting styles and gunslinging. However, here's where both of their faults show, personality. Cloud has a tendency of taking a very head on forceful approach until he is caught in the heat of battle long enough for his adrenaline to kick in and Dante is cocky and intentionally leaves himself open to attacks frequently during short breaks in one on one combat. these particular traits make a large difference in their battle would it not?
I'm not saying who would win and who wouldn't but i am saying that this thread was opened up with a very detailed description of Dante, and a very vague and weak one of cloud. I like both characters myself so i dont' think it was quite fair to do that to either of them.
Hopefully this new piece of information will open new light through the cloudy window for you all to consider.
Why use DT when you can take Sparda form, Dante first of is just better and faster when it comes to fighting, when exactly has Cloud profetionally dodged bullets? I've watch the movie and played the game and his fighting speed (and "overral speed") is like slow mo when compared with Dante's (watch cutscene from various games).
And now the obvious reason to why Dante surely wins, he's an demon with über healing and Cloud is a human who hasnt shown much of a bulletproof forehead or a bullet dodging body
this little genetically enhanced Human has been around long enough, kill the fool, Dante is a half Demon, Demons and angels almost always win,especially against humans and their speed and strength is unquestionable
Dante will just blast cloud to bits with a few rocket launcher blasts, he can dodge bullets but not explosions well placed at his feet, or Dante can just devil trigger and slash cloud in half, or quicksilver and then simply slice Cloud in half there while he is frozen in time
pitiful Humans are no match for Divine/half divine entities
i agree with shin on that one...you ARE a fanboy...but if you even bothered playing half of FFVII and giving two wits to the game...(and the movie) cloud doesn't exactly need a bullet proof forehead...and dante doesn't have one either...the bullet went through his head instead of bouncing off. thus proving his head isn't exactly bullet proof, not to mention that i want to argue that fact with the first motorcycle fight in AC. Yazoo shoots cloud in the head and the bullet kinda just bounced off didn't it? it left a scar but that was it, and don't tell me taht the goggles blocked it cuz those biker goggles were made of plastic, like most.
With that aside let's get onto the fact that Cloud was exposed to severe jenova experiments and was intended to be turned into a sephiroth clone. Now with sephiroth being such a big bastard to kill, what makes you think Cloud would be any easier?
Before you start wailing about one of the characters in this thing, make sure you understand a little bit about both of them. You keep trying to turn this into a one sided fight which it clearly shouldnt' be considering all the factors that make all the difference in this match.
as far as your divine comment goes...you might want to read up a bit more on your DIVINES/HALF DIVINES go...you might want to look further into japanese legends on the origins of these creatures...they are actually VERY vulnerable to humans...but humans only feared them becuase MOST of them were to stupid to think of ways to take them out. That quicksilver crap is just a noobish excuse for a god moder to think up a quick win. I'm personally in favor of both characters but some people just don't get the idea that in a way Dante uses his own little form of "Materia" as well. What would Dante be without all his little orbs hm? no magic, no health revitalization, no magic bs, nothing. sides, what would happen if the "oh so hated" Cloud got his hands on a little bit of Holy Water? (there's something you dmc fanboys must be familiar with)
Face it, this is one fight you cant' just walk in and say "so-and-so would win hands down!" there's too much thought and too many battle factors to take in on it before you can come up with a final resolution.
Last edited by Dragoncloud on May 10th, 2006 at 03:14 PM
I have played through the game (twice) and seen every movie (twice) based on it so dont barge in here calling me a fanboy. That bullet bounced of his shades and went off course barely touches his head, blindman that's something called sheer luck, wierd assumption I might say. The orbs are used in gameplay, he never use any of his orbs to uber heal in ANY of the cutscenes and just as any game character, his actual power and durabity are greatly restricted in gameplay. Quicksilver is a noobish excuse? *rofles* you're forgetting one major thing, Dante is lazy. Humans being good against demon? *rofles yet again* how come "lady" didnt have chance?
And what holy water do you mean? The one that heals you from curses and what not or the one that ALMOST kills everything surrounding the user?
Nice counter though, I must at least give you that
Simple, in both dimensions of the characters' existences, they would naturally survive a few instantaneous blows from each other, under the effects of time stops or not. Plus none of us are exactly quite sure what all the combination of mako and jenova cells infused into a human body would do. for all we know Cloud could be immune to such things judging from how jenova was immune to any time spells in the game, then again Cloud was effected by slow and stop in game play, but that could have been in order to prevent someone from god moding or to conceal the secret of Cloud's history in the game.
And i'm sorry about the whole assumption of the bullet bouncing off his shades assumption but it was made to further prove a point and yes, most game characters abilities ARE greatly restricted in gameplay, namely, dante, krados, link, and other characters in hack and slash based games. But the existance of these objects in gameplay hint towards their existance in the characters own little "dimension" meaning that they are vital to a number of the characters abilities. Not to mention, cutscenes and movie clips are made to over-exagerate a character for visual appeal, whether it be dante, cloud or ANY other game character. But when i say orbs, i'm not referring to the little powerups you pick up off the ground that heal you and give you what some have called "money" in the game, i'm talking about the actually blue, purple, green, yellow, white and whatever other colored orbs. Without a number of blue orbs, dante's endurance isn't too extremely high though he could still take a good beating before he went down. And i'm sorry for the confusion over the whole holy water thing, i meant the one that practically kills everything in dmc 3.
And finally my reference to the "humans being good against demons" i base that off of most japanese literature and fairy tales, which happens to be the very origin of where these concepts originated.
meh...kinda...quick silvers a quick win against most low level spawned demons in the game but wouldn't be quite as effective on someone who could rank upon some of the bosses in the game.
I want to appologize if you all think im just for cloud winning because that's not the case, personally this IS one of the toughest calls i've had to make in a match like this. Even my accquantances in class can't decide on an outcome. I'm in favor for dante as much as i am for cloud. (even though i dont' know as much about dante) Personally, I'm starting to think that with all the FFVII spinoffs coming up we should submit this idea to Capcom and Square and have them talk it out and argue about it until they decide to create a visual of the battle for us to all see.
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Last edited by Dragoncloud on May 12th, 2006 at 03:39 PM
Dante uses Quicksilver and blows Cloud's head off with his shotgun, Cloud dies and he didnt and couldnt make one move, I dont dont see what's hard to understand about that
I just want too point out Dante's not that godly people, Vergil put him on his ass with a sword to the gut. a sword thats a FRACTION the size of Clouds "first Sword",thats rather slim durability or PIS, either way. And again about his durability Omislash would absolutley kill Dante, And cmon Cloud not using materia is thee biggest cop out Ive EVER seen.
Quicksilver can and will run out. and If Dante use's air hike and quicksilver than the devil trigger runs out TWICE as fast.
and "Super Dante" is not cannon, he is unlockable. Dante can only transform for a limited time. and Dante as an adult cant even use Quicksilver.
but becuase of his versitility weapons and such I still think Dante takes a majority of wins dont get me wrong there. Dante would take 7/10.
No one even said this is adult Dante, NBT just threw in some WIKI info about the two, Vergil's sword was used by Sparda and is NOT a ordinary sword, besides Dante was not at his top at that time, he had yet to controll his DT, his real powers, but yet he recovered.
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this little genetically enhanced Human has been around long enough, kill the fool, Dante is a half Demon, Demons and angels almost always win,especially against humans and their speed and strength is unquestionable
that's something called sheer luck, wierd assumption I might say. The orbs are used in gameplay, he never use any of his orbs to uber heal in ANY of the cutscenes and just as any game character, his actual power and durabity are greatly restricted in gameplay. Quicksilver is a noobish excuse? *rofles* you're forgetting one major thing, Dante is lazy. Humans being good against demon? *rofles yet again* how come "lady" didnt have chance?
