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Given Rogue's physiology , steroids shouldn't have any effect on her. shes' supposedly immune to most drugs and such.

Give her a can of popeye's spinach her something, that would do the trick. She'll open up a serious can of whoop ass on WW.


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rogue doesnt have to be really close to her to absorb WWs powers. just once touch for leson than 2 secs. and shes got her powers. and shes got her steroids so there shes above WW


You contradict yourself .....you say that:

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'rogue doesnt have to be really close to her to absorb WWs powers'


and then in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE say the following:

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'just once touch for leson than 2 secs'


Alright, maybe my comprehension of the English language is a little rusty, but last I heard to touch someone meant that you had to be close enough to touch them.
For Rogue to touch Wonderwoman it directly implies Wonderwoman can 'touch' Rogue.


And you say Rogue needs 2 seconds ....LOL .....alright, how much stuff do you think a person who can move at the speed of Wonderwoman can do in 2 seconds?
Goodness ....in that time Rogue's head may very well be on its way to China while her body momentarily hovers above the Golden Gate bridge!



And once again you bring the steroids .....in real life what steroids do is amp up your natural abilities.
If you can run a 100m dash in 9.85 seconds 'roids may make you slash some semi-seconds off that mark (and those semi-seconds may be enough to assure a victory, which is why elite sports really frown on steroid use).

HOWEVER, no matter how many steroids you give to the fastest human sprinter, he will NEVER be able to outrun a cheetah ....no even if you substitute all of his blood for an adrenalin-steroid mix!

Same thing here ....steroids may amp up Rogue's strength, but she is simply not on Wonderwoman's level


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while there fighting of course rogue would have a chance of touching eachother. duh. PS steroids make your stronger. do you ever watch wrestling some of those guys look all strong and all tha cause there on steroids. hogan is for sure.


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while there fighting of course rogue would have a chance of touching eachother. duh. PS steroids make your stronger. do you ever watch wrestling some of those guys look all strong and all tha cause there on steroids. hogan is for sure.


You say 'duh,' yet you are the one who states in one sentence that Rogue doesn't have to be really close to absorb Wonderwoman's powers, and then in the very next state that all she needs is one touch!

Erm, I should be the one saying 'duh' ....but I prefer not to look down on those who may be making lowbrow assertions due to factors beyond their own control (this is why, for instance, I stopped making fun of Wolverine8888 once I found out he was Dyslexic).

Anyways .....as for steroids.
Yes, I know that people in 'wrestling entertainment' do take steroids to bulk up their muscle mass.
And yes, I know that in other sports (real sports even) there is steroid use ....although it is always frowned upon and would lead to automatic disqualifications (although in 'wrestling entertainment' steroid use is probably mandated).

I know all that ....and STILL I tell you that all steroids do is amp up your strength. They will make you stronger, and they will make you faster (different types of 'roids), however there is a limit to what they can do.

Since you probably did not comprehend the example I gave on the 100m dash, let me use 'wrestling.'

If Wrestler A takes steroids, his muscles will get bigger and he will be stronger.
However, no matter how much steroids he takes, he will never be able to outpull an elephant.
No matter how much steroids he takes, he will never be able to lift a Ford F-150 over his head.
No matter how much steroids he takes.

All that the steroids do is augment his physical abilities .....but UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.

That is why in the 100m dash the people who use steroids only seem to cut a few semi-seconds off their time. Now, that is more often enough to assure a win, but those people will not be chasing Pronghorn antelope on the prairie!

Capire?


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...Rogue's body is mostly covered by her costume so WW has a lot of places to safely hit Rogue.


Good point. Bummer for Rogue...unless she has a skimpier combat version of her attire.

Besides, WW is about 1,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger than Rogue (50 tons vs towing moons). This is like a sneeze vs Hurricane Katrina.


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You say 'duh,' yet you are the one who states in one sentence that Rogue doesn't have to be really close to absorb Wonderwoman's powers, and then in the very next state that all she needs is one touch!

Erm, I should be the one saying 'duh' ....but I prefer not to look down on those who may be making lowbrow assertions due to factors beyond their own control.

Anyways .....as for steroids.
Yes, I know that people in 'wrestling entertainment' do take steroids to bulk up their muscle mass.
And yes, I know that in other sports (real sports even) there is steroid use ....although it is always frowned upon and would lead to automatic disqualifications (although in 'wrestling entertainment' steroid use is probably mandated).

I know all that ....and STILL I tell you that all steroids do is amp up your strength. They will make you stronger, and they will make you faster (different types of 'roids), however there is a limit to what they can do.

Since you probably did not comprehend the example I gave on the 100m dash, let me use 'wrestling.'

If Wrestler A takes steroids, his muscles will get bigger and he will be stronger.
However, no matter how much steroids he takes, he will never be able to outpull an elephant.
No matter how much steroids he takes, he will never be able to lift a Ford F-150 over his head.
No matter how much steroids he takes.

All that the steroids do is augment his physical abilities .....but UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.

That is why in the 100m dash the people who use steroids only seem to cut a few semi-seconds off their time. Now, that is more often enough to assure a win, but those people will not be chasing Pronghorn antelope on the prairie!

Capire?
those guys they dont take just one pill then bam there strong. every now and then they have to take some more. and wtf are you talking about them getting disqualified ? uh hogan is still wrestling and hes on roids. ultimate warrior was for along time when he was wrestling


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ok forget about rogue touching her then. if WW even punches rogue she will still get WWs powers cause she touched her skin. doesnt matter if she licks her skin pinch hit what ever. just any physical emotion from another person with any part of there skin there screwed.


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those guys they dont take just one pill then bam there strong. every now and then they have to take some more. and wtf are you talking about them getting disqualified ? uh hogan is still wrestling and hes on roids. ultimate warrior was for along time when he was wrestling


Goodness!

First things first ....this is what I said:

'Yes, I know that people in 'wrestling entertainment' do take steroids to bulk up their muscle mass.
And yes, I know that in other sports (real sports even) there is steroid use ....although it is always frowned upon and would lead to automatic disqualifications (although in 'wrestling entertainment' steroid use is probably mandated).


Now, I'm not sure what level of education you have, but I just said that in real sports (TV wrestling is not a real sport ....it is 'sports entertainment') steroid use is an offence that can lead to admonishment and even banning, and THEN I SAID that in 'wrestling entertainment' steroid use is probably mandated.'
Now ....I'm sure that went over your head, but what it means (if I digest it a bit for you) is that in TV wrestling the wrestlers are probably made to take steroids. That way they have better musculature to make the people who watch 'wrestling entertainment' go 'ooooh!'

That make sense or should I take it a notch lower? Say 5th grade level of comprehension?

I also happen to know about steroid use.
And not just steroids but the other forms of cheating that are used in (real) sports ....for instance ranging from adrenalin injections all the way to the more stealthy blood doping (where they take out their own blood, store it, and then inject it back a week later once their body has already replenished the blood that was removed .....gives them a boost due to increased level of hemoglobin, which means their blood is more oxygenated).

Thus, sir, I know exactly what goes on with steroids as well as other methods.

And it doesn't matter .....steroids will boost your physical abilities, BUT STILL ONLY TO A POINT.
It doesn't matter whether you take a single pill or injection, or whether you take enough to send you to your grave.
You will get stronger, but you are not going to be tossing vehicles around.


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ok forget about rogue touching her then. if WW even punches rogue she will still get WWs powers cause she touched her skin. doesnt matter if she licks her skin pinch hit what ever. just any physical emotion from another person with any part of there skin there screwed.


MindShip and the Khan already answered that, and to great effect.


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Goodness!

First things first ....this is what I said:

'Yes, I know that people in 'wrestling entertainment' do take steroids to bulk up their muscle mass.
And yes, I know that in other sports (real sports even) there is steroid use ....although it is always frowned upon and would lead to automatic disqualifications (although in 'wrestling entertainment' steroid use is probably mandated).


Now, I'm not sure what level of education you have, but I just said that in real sports (TV wrestling is not a real sport ....it is 'sports entertainment') steroid use is an offence that can lead to admonishment and even banning, and THEN I SAID that in 'wrestling entertainment' steroid use is probably mandated.'
Now ....I'm sure that went over your head, but what it means (if I digest it a bit for you) is that in TV wrestling the wrestlers are probably made to take steroids. That way they have better musculature to make the people who watch 'wrestling entertainment' go 'ooooh!'

That make sense or should I take it a notch lower? Say 5th grade level of comprehension?

I also happen to know about steroid use.
And not just steroids but the other forms of cheating that are used in (real) sports ....for instance ranging from adrenalin injections all the way to the more stealthy blood doping (where they take out their own blood, store it, and then inject it back a week later once their body has already replenished the blood that was removed .....gives them a boost due to increased level of hemoglobin, which means their blood is more oxygenated).

Thus, sir, I know exactly what goes on with steroids as well as other methods.

And it doesn't matter .....steroids will boost your physical abilities, BUT STILL ONLY TO A POINT.
It doesn't matter whether you take a single pill or injection, or whether you take enough to send you to your grave.
You will get stronger, but you are not going to be tossing vehicles around.
you said theres a chance of them getting disqualified if they see that there on roids. well they dont check verry well then. cause some still do partner


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you said theres a chance of them getting disqualified if they see that there on roids. well they dont check verry well then. cause some still do partner


Let me simplify the sentence I put in bold in the previous post:

1) In real sports, at both the amateur and the professional level, the use of steroids if severely frowned upon. If caught the sportsman or woman faces anything ranging from financial penalties, to suspension from the game, to even outright banning (ask Ben Johnson, who got the stiff end of the stick after winning a 100m dash ....until people, led by then champion Carl Lewis, noticed that the win was too easy).

2) In Sports Entertainment (eg WWE, American Gladiators, etc) steroid use is officially not accomodated, but it is clearly apparent that steroid use is many times pushed to the 'athletes.' This is why I said it is basically almost a mandate (for your benefit - Mandate means an authoritative instruction).


Now, looking at real sports.
I know that people get away with it .....that is why people still take steroids. For instance the Chinese olympic swim team got into some serious trouble over this issue, as did the weight-lifting team of some Eastern European nation.
The thing is they take their chances ....knowing that there is a good chance that they will not get caught, but also knowing that if caught then their chances of ever participating again are dust!

Thus you are not telling me ANY new information ....I know that some get away.
The testing though is very stringent (for your benefit - stringent means thorough or strict), the problem is that they normally do not test everyone. Thus there is always the chance some will slip through the cracks, and they do.

Thus people do take steroids .....oh, and 'thanks' for telling me this (although I already knew that quite well).


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Let me simplify the sentence I put in bold in the previous post:

1) In real sports, at both the amateur and the professional level, the use of steroids if severely frowned upon. If caught the sportsman or woman faces anything ranging from financial penalties, to suspension from the game, to even outright banning (ask Ben Johnson, who got the stiff end of the stick after winning a 100m dash ....until people, led by then champion Carl Lewis, noticed that the win was too easy).

2) In Sports Entertainment (eg WWE, American Gladiators, etc) steroid use is officially not accomodated, but it is clearly apparent that steroid use is many times pushed to the 'athletes.' This is why I said it is basically almost a mandate (for your benefit - Mandate means an authoritative instruction).


Now, looking at real sports.
I know that people get away with it .....that is why people still take steroids. For instance the Chinese olympic swim team got into some serious trouble over this issue, as did the weight-lifting team of some Eastern European nation.
The thing is they take their chances ....knowing that there is a good chance that they will not get caught, but also knowing that if caught then their chances of ever participating again are dust!

Thus you are not telling me ANY new information ....I know that some get away.
The testing though is very stringent (for your benefit - stringent means thorough or strict), the problem is that they normally do not test everyone. Thus there is always the chance some will slip through the cracks, and they do.

Thus people do take steroids .....oh, and 'thanks' for telling me this (although I already knew that quite well).
correct there. any foot ball player basket ball or any other profesional sport if those guys get caught they dont just disqualify them. they have to pay a fine and they get there asses in big trouble as well.


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Actually, imo, you could give Rogue all the steroids in the world and she still wouldn't beat Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is still way incredibly faster than her, and she's also has more versatility. She could easily speed blitz her, or she could use her sword, she could use her tiara, or she could use her lasso. I don't care how strong you make Rogue, she ain't breaking the lasso. Recently, the lasso has been said to have been powered by the Presence himself. Since nobody's on his power level except TOAA, Rogue couldn't do sh*t to it. Bottom line is that Wonder Woman is too fast and too versatile for her. Rogue's best shot is to touch Wonder Woman, but there's no chance in hell that she would allow that. Plus, even if she did manage to touch her (which there would be no way), I don't think she could make that great of an impact on Wonder Woman. There's one comic where Rogue touches Hulk, and while she's doing this, Hulk seemingly was not affected and then he went on to smack her down with a boulder. Wonder Woman also outclasses her in terms of fighting ability as well. Rouge should really not be winning this fight, even if you augment her ability. That should definitely tell you that she's not on Wonder Woman's power level. Wonder Woman wins 10/10.


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rogue is about class 80. if shes got some steroids on her it will boost her up to a 100 so yah she has a chance there.


Rouge's not class 80.

She's probobly around class 40 or 50.

Seriously if she's class 80 then Marvel really needs to look back on their strength charts.


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Rouge's not class 80.

She's probobly around class 40 or 50.

Seriously if she's class 80 then Marvel really needs to look back on their strength charts.


It says in my handbook that she was a class 50. So... there ya go.


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It says in my handbook that she was a class 50. So... there ya go.


Yeah that seems a hell of a lot more accurate.


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Ha! I looked it up in Wizard July 2005 where the female strength chart states that she can lift 25 tons.

While WW can lift 100+ Tons.

Yeah no way in hell is rouge taking this one


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Ha! I looked it up in Wizard July 2005 where the female strength chart states that she can lift 25 tons.

While WW can lift 100+ Tons.

Yeah no way in hell is rouge taking this one


Yep. Read my post. I kicked all the Rogue supporter's asses. cool


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Given Rogue's physiology , steroids shouldn't have any effect on her. shes' supposedly immune to most drugs and such.

Give her a can of popeye's spinach her something, that would do the trick. She'll open up a serious can of whoop ass on WW.


I agree, rogue will get a pyramid on her biceps and WW is seriously boned. laughing

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Putting Rouge on steroids will do nothing more then get her pissed off more easily and make wing slowly turn into a wang.


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