KMC Forums - The Punisher/Captain America versus Batman/Daredevil

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Originally posted by Nightstick
Look I doubt we will agree on this, but from where I sit the Punisher has shown the ability to tag DD his reasons for not doing so on a regular bases over the years likely has more to do with not wanting to severly cripple or kill DD. As to shooting in the bedroom, this space meant that DD could close the gap faster more over if he had been shooting to hurt, which he obviously wasn't it might have been more helpfull, but hitting DD who was in constant motion at close range in the wrong area of his body even with a tranq could result in serious injury. If we ceed to the idea that he lost "it" then it doesn't much count cause he wasn't thinking straight if he didn't lose "it" then he was still holding back. I said already that I never got a chance to read the entire series.

I guess we dont agree, but its cool. Punisher may have seemed to have had be able to tag DD. Sure he has the ability to, but on a bad day. You say his reasons not to is likely because he deoesnt want to seriously cripple or kill DD? Yet in the first encounter, he had no problems with doing so. You cant say that currently Pun wouldnt do it cause DD is an innocent and he doesnt want to really shoot him because when he did shoot him, DD was an innocent then and was well known about, so Pun knew what he was doing. DD closed the gap faster in the bedroom yea, but no matter what gun Punisher is shooting, Daredevil always closes the gap on him. It didnt matter if it was bedroom or not. You say Pun wasnt shooting to hurt in the bedroom? That was supposedly his main reason for using tranqs. He really wanted to tag DD cause he was getting tired of DD following him. Note Pun saying "The gloves are off this time Devil". You also mention Pun doesnt want to cripple or kill DD. Not so. He may not want to kill DD, but he sure wants to cripple him hence Pun saying "Im not going to kill you, Devil but you have to be stopped. Crippled."

Castle was thinking straight. He just misses. When he "lost it", it wasnt his mind. He decided that he couldnt beat DD and need to "end it" He didnt care at that moment if he killed DD or not. Thats when he accidentally killed a bystander.

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Originally posted by Nightstick
But didn't Punisher knock DD across...ws/mkdvp1p6.jpg

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http://www.iabc.cz/images/TvSK/1punisher.jpg

Yea, Pun knocked him a few feet away. So that doesnt mean much. Notice that that was Puns only hit. He also stated that he may as well be fighting with both hand tied behind hit back, blindfolded. erm

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Originally posted by Nightstick
I also have to point out that it funny how you say they stalemated in the end and at the same time call it an owning. Whitch was it?

If you go back and re-read my last post, you see that i didnt say the last fight was an owning. I said Daredevil owned Castle in book 1,2 and 4. I said that they stalemated in book 6. Out of 6 books, they fight in 4 of them. Daredevil owns Punisher 3 out of those 4 times and stalemate in 1. You dont call that an overall owning?

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Originally posted by Nightstick
On the bullets vs tranqs discussion, just because Castle is proficient with tranqs does not mean they can do everything bullets can.

I also never stated tranqs can do everything bullets can. He wouldnt have used them or decided to use them if he felt they would handicap him in any way. It seems as if your making excuses for Punisher. Its not like someone came up to him and just gave him the tranqs and said "Here. Use this instead." That was his decision and it failed.