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sidious would never > ragnos, win yes but never ever pwn an ancient sith since sidious by DE always plays with lightning, never uses drain often, force spear, force sight, he doesnt use that at all against his enemies
and exar kun would be a match to sidious since he was able to "physically" kill luke in the JA trilogy
I believe that was Kyp givena power boost. It wasn't Kun's own spirit that did the job or he wouldn't have gotten Kyp to help him in the first place. And Sidious' Force Storm? A bit above anything ever even rumored that Ragnos or shown by Kun. Transporting your own spirit across the emptiness of space to reach your clones and existing by pure willpower alone is a bit more impressive than infusing your spirit into a temple.
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well firstly a spirit cant do sh!t, and when you get into someones body, it doesnt "boost" then why is palpatine the same in his new clones ? each clone like the one before, even when jeng droga was possessed by palpatine, it didnt "boost" jengs powers and had it been exars original body he would have killed luke .
o? but exar kuns spirit lived for 4000 years and drained an entire planet of massassi and idk what happened, the temple collapsed on him i think
and no, it was the ancient sith who helped palpatine get back to life, he admitted that in empires end to the ancient sith spirits. and as i said palpatine possessed jeng droga to get to byss, he didnt drift there.
o and as if he would do a force storm in a head to head dueling fight to the death, if he tried that on any1, even someone not as strong as him like vader, during a lightsaber duel, he would get killed, why? because it is stupid to strike with a force power during combat and it is a mistake which will get you killed because you let your guard down
Lol, if you say that the spirit can't do shit, then Kyp did all the work. It is even stated in the book that Luke could handle both individually, but together they were to powerful. And Luke also didn't want to harm one of his greatest students...
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Those are your arguments for Sidious never being able to defeat Ragnos? What force abilities does Ragnos use then? Seriously, everybody needs to shut the f*ck up with their: "OMG, he was once the most powerful of the most powerful, this is enough for a million discussions!!"
Just let the f*cker go.. or at least out of comparisons.
Man, Exar beating Luke there couldn't have had anything to do with all the darkside energy of Yavin to call on and hitting a surprised Luke from behind, could it?
That line is hyperbole. Do you believe everything you're told? Some of us live in 20th Century. About 200 years ago, there a period called Enlightenment. One of its element focus on thinking over being controlled. You should read about it. Asians such as yourself probably haven't heard of it.
1.) It always seems Advent that whenever we're debating, we're always on the opposite sides. Apparently, even if it may have not been your original intention, I have gotten the opinion that you don't find me very likable
2.) I didn't find it a joke Advent. You are very serious kitten, even though I may be misunderstanding this since I don't know much about you. But that's what I got from you.
3.) I did not particularly like Janus and his gang so that's why I found your "jokingly" insult quite mean.
4.) Finally Advent, you are wrong sometimes as well. I still found our debate ROTS Obi-Wan & Revan vs. ROTS Mace and Kyle unfinished and not correct on your part, though you must have felt the same way towards mine.
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"Hyperbole" means an exaggerated statement. Prove that it's an exaggeration. For Buddha's sake it's the omniscient narrator describing Ragnos. It's not hyperbolic - it's fact. Luke swinging his saber around as if it were twenty is hyperbole. Ragnos being the most powerful of the Ancient Sith is not.
Do you believe the words that you type? I honestly can't see how anyone would, but then again...
...you think it's the 20th century! LOL. Now I know I'm dealing with a true idiot. Sorry, Marty McFly, but we all live in the 21st century. You can join us, of course, once you pull your head out of your ass.
Thanks for the history lesson, George Berkeley, but you can save it for another day. Actually, save it for when you join the rest of us in the 21st century.
@ Quinlan:
1.) And have you read my debates with Rampant ox? It would seem I literally hate the guy, however, I don't - he's funny, and can be a good debater. I just don't play nice when I debate because over the months, I've tired of constant bullshit and the like.
2.) But you seem to go out on five point rant for one ambiguous statement. I never said Janus was a better debater than you (he is, but I never said it), I just said he is greater than you. He is greater than everybody. He's friggin' Janus.
3.) And I do not particularly like the fact you would call Faunus a "lapdog", or attempt to discredit Janus in any way. Especially while he doesn't frequent here often anymore (but spends his time at the better EoD).
4.) Oh, it's wrong as fact now? Sorry, but I called your shit out on Malak, and you were arguing the unknown. Several times actually. The only thing I was wrong on mainly was the probability, but like I said in the thread "appeal to probability", trick. So, you're still wrong. And the last comment made on the thread by you to me had nothing to refute in it because it was filled with "you make me sick, your sayings are getting you nowhere, etc.". What is there to finish? Our debate was over. You made shit up, you want to believe just because something is likely to happen that it will, and so on. All I had to do was prove the fight was an unknown, your quotes were bullshit, and their references, etc.
Don't believe me? Check the last page we debated on again, except this time equip your super spectacles as you obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
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Umm, I didn't see any crap in that page Advent. All my answers, except about that milk comment, did not seemed far-fetched. And that wasn't really the best page to pick our debate because I just answered you and that's it.
Okay, I apologize to Faunus
So Faunus, if you happen to read this, I'm sorry. I don't typically like to talk about other people behind their backs just to let you know, but this accidently came out when Advent mentioned Janus.
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well maybe and consider that exar kun has been weakened for the 4000 year gap, and this book came out before totj i believe and thats where they show exar kuns real power, i said he would be a match, not beat luke "easy" yes and i believed kyp did the work.
in my point of view if he was really overpowering luke in kyps body, then why would he want to get a new body fresh for himself if itsweaker than exar + kyp body? get my point? simple, because thats where he can use his real powers, get stronger, he is only beefing up kyps power i believe and thus not using his own
and if a spirit cant do shit well then i wonder why would it take lukes whole academy and exars former master to send that guy back to oblivion when all it took is one wounded jedi to destroy palpatine forever, another one, why? because they knew exar kun would become a major threat
and for you people who think idiots refer to ragnos quote, well some of you are even more brainless "O $!d!0u$ c@n W1n R@gN0s B3c@u$3 h3
c@n m@K3 f0Rc3 $t0Rm$" o yea? true but did you know in JA that luke feared ragnos coming back to life? and he didnt fear palpatine at all?
did you read my damm post? i said that sidious wouldnt PWN him, win him yes but sidious would never pwn any ancient sith.
"OMG, he was once the most powerful of the most powerful, this is enough for a million discussions!!""
and every need to shut the fu*k up for saying "ooo lala this book said palpatine is the strongest" when the damm book cant actually prove it, same thing as saying "ragnos was the strongest of the strongest" its based on the writer or authors god damm opinions so the truth is there really is no strongest in SW
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Again, I suggest you equip your super spectacles, or call Inspector Gadget to help you out. You didn't answer my post at all on that page. Half of the stuff you didn't even respond to (and I mean the valid points, not the messing around crap). And the quote I provided from the databank was not answered correctly. You said "No entry for Revan", which wasn't even relevant, and you said Revan beat Bastila/Malak. The entire excerpt given seems to correlate into Malak's military power because - at that point - with the Star Forge, he was nearly unstoppable by the Republic in terms of a full scale war. And even so, even if you say it refers to Malak's personal power, "nearly unstoppable" to whom? It would seem nearly unstoppable to a group of virtual unknowns, so it's not as if that point holds any water, because we have no idea of how say, Exar Kun, Mace, or Kyp would fair and their respective eras.
In any case, it doesn't really matter. I proved what I set out to do, which was that the fight was unknown, ergo you cannot treat anything as fact unless stated. And you also mention "likelihood" of this and that, my entire point is that it's called appeal to probability, because just because it's likely - doesn't mean it's so, even less when the entire "likeliness" is pure speculation since the entire fight is nearly a complete unknown event.
But whatever, we can drop it as I have better things to do with my time.
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