It's like having a boxer fight with both hands tied behind his back with eyes blindfolded and the legs handcuffed. Which fighter looks weaker?
The one that has to get handicapped in order to give the other a chance, or the underdog?
Exactly your saying without they're chi they're just a boxer fight with both hands tied behind they're back with eyes blindfolded and the legs handcuffed. Which also means they're nothing without they're chi.
Besides Ryu defeated Sagat with a Mesatsu Go Shoryu, he also knocked Hugo around with a Shin-Shoryuken. To be honest he hasn't defeated anyone with a Hadoken in the SF canon if I remember correctly.
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Hwoarang, the point Superboy Prime, myself and a few others are trying to say, is that you are lowering SF characters to the Tekken characters level. You admit they cannot win unless you nerf or negate the chi advantage. The SF characters are in a whole other league, and you are asking people to debate on straight H2H skill. But the SF characters are lightyears ahead of Tekken on sheer power and speed. It's one thing to remove special moves, but you demand the results of their training and 'chi boost' be negated and they rely only on their experience and straight fighting skills. You are in effect, removing what make the characters unique. If you want an H2H fight, use an earlier version like SFA, that makes it just about even.
The reason I made this fight was I was curious about the results of these two fighting. I realize now, that Ryu is probably too far above Iori storywise. My bad. I'm making a slight change. SFA2 Ryu vs. Iori.
This fight is probably closer in power. Thoughts?
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Sweet. SF Alpha 2 Ryu? Does this mean he could possibly be under the influence of the Satsui no Hadou? Damn. Can't decide. Iori is a beast and by SF A standards Ryu is not on Gouki level. He is tough, but not all of that. I think Iori would win more often than not given Ryu's situation during SFA2.
He's not weak, but he doesn't have the same experience as his SF3 counterpart. He's also emotionally troubled and conflicted due to the influence of the Satsui no hadou. He's still tough, but his mindset is jeopardized in my opinion. Iori on the other hand would have no problem with fighting Ryu and he's already used to the Orochi in him. The fight would be awesome IMO.
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Not weak persay, more akin to having his focus disrupted. Like having a mental block. He's wondering whether his fighting style is corrupting him and whether Satsui no Hado is inescapable. The problem is he lacks confidence and focus, not power. I was thinking on a pure gameplay and storyline power basis. I hadn't considered his mental state. It's unfortunate that Iori doesn't have a similar crisis of faith in his abilities at any time. Otherwise, this would be closer. Yeah, Iori would win probably because of his willingness to fight harder and stronger fighting spirit. For the sake of arguement, Superboy, let's assume first, no Satsui no hado, and that this is SF3: 3rd impact Ryu mentally, but with the skills and power of SFA2 Ryu. Very interesting fight. I go with Iori of course, but even with his orochi blood, it would be a close fight.
2nd case: He's under the influence of Satsui no Hado and has become Evil Ryu. Obviously he's probably stronger than Iori, so let's release Iori's limiters and wake up the riot of blood. "SHAOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!!" Ok then, now it's hard to say. I think Orochi Iori could win this, but if Evil Ryu gets off the Shun Goku Satsu, Iori is ****ed. But in a close combat, O. Iori would dominate. He is crazy fast in that form, and he beat BOTH KYO AND SHINGO, and that was after fighting Magaki. Ash only swiped his shit because he was drained.
In Evil Ryu's corner, he has the stronger fireballs, and greater air game. Not to mention the metsu shoryuken, metsu hadoken, the ashura senku and of course the shun goku satsu.
From what I can see, O. Iori has the speed advantage as well as unpredictability. Evil Ryu has the power advantage. O. Iori is a whirlwind of death, Evil ryu is pure destrutive force. Evil Ryu's techniques probably will do more damage if they connect, but in a long term fight, O. Iori could just wear him down with hit and run. It's a good fight either way.
That's my three cents.
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Funny how tekken fans have to say "oh yeah but what if SF characters DIDNT have their powers?". Well SF characters do, so tekken characters get owned anyways. Capcom and SNK *****-slap tekken, then tell tekkens cast to fetch them a chicken pot pie.
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if the SF character didn't have the powers they'd be not here because in my PERSONNAL opinion the powers are what made the games so awesome, so i believe IF (a cursed word) they didn't have their power SF wouldn't really have got anywhere near as big as it did personnally
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I've been saying this for the longest. People try to bring that s**t up against Iori all the time(a sign of desperation perhaps?). They need to realize that the character they are arguing for wouldn't have even made it past Kyo & Shingo. Hell, they might not have even made it past Magaki. Ash did what he did for a reason & that reason is that fighting a fresh Iori usually ends up w/you in the hospital....or worse. Iori could take SFA2 Ryu.
Good post. Iori gets slept on here so much it's ridiculous. He's SNK's most powerful non-boss IMO. Orochi Iori is just murder. Orochi Iori vs Evil Ryu would be f**kin awesome.
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This is stupid, are you aware hworang that all the sf attacks are ki based? I'm not even talking about projectiles, basically you want sfers to not use any special moves. while tekken cast is allowed all their ki attacks like jins glowing hands., WTF?
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It's sad that SNK gets no respect on forums and in the fighting game community. Hell, nobody considers anyone from SNK in the top tier in CVS2. I have heard Yamazaki as the solo entrant in that regard.
Of course he's powerful. Consider how much the player version of Orochi Iori gets nerfed in CVS2. They gave him 3/4s of Iori's life (R2: 10600) (Iori's normal life at R2 is 14000), and knocked his attack power down from where it was in KOF. In boss rush mode, despite having crap hp, he still can beat down whole teams at R4. Incidently, Orochi Iori is tied with Evil Ryu on hp. He actually is one of the 8 bosses of CVS2, along with Bison, Geese, Rugal, Gouki, Evil Ryu, Shin Gouki and God Rugal. That is a high class crowd.
Btw, Thanks for the props dude. I agree, Iori is probably the toughest mother****er on SNK's side next to the bosses. Yeah, it would be sick as hell to see these two fight. I wonder if those SVC chaos comics Shin_Remy has have that fight?
You said it right there. If anything Capcom really seems to OWN on this forum.. just check out the CvS thread. About Iori being slept on per se...I have stated that this is ONE forum. Iori gets so much props else where... for christ sakes even on playmore's website Yagami is favored as KOF's best character.
You want to know a character that really gets slept on in these forums?..it's Ryo Sakazaki. Sure he has simular moves to Ryu but he also has different techinques not to mention he is totally diffrent from Ryu as in terms of Story and Character. He is a worthy character and certainley no weakling...hell he was a boss character in both WA and FFS But here he is talked about like a joke.
I was just replying on the comments that stated Iori was being slept on. Trust me since Iori's is KOF and playmore's fav, he most likley will have his revenge.
You may hate Ryo but come on man he does get slept on an awful lot here. I dont think Geese gets slept on as much.
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Thank God, Snk lacks developed hierarchy... Strong fighters always appear out of the blue and get no play later on in the plot. Saying ryo strong doesn't really mean much, since there are several fighters who should be listed as powerful as well. A good example is characters from the nest arc.
How long has this been going on for? Howarang, Kaled, cut it out, your not doing your side any favours by complaining about how a fighting game is made.....
as for characters getting the short straws, I do happen to agree with you guys, I play both franchises games, and although I consider a Shotoclone at the begining, he has developed his own moves and playing style, this is the true peuty of gaming, characters can evolve and develop into something completely separate than what the originals represented (I remember that there was absolutely no difference bitween Ryu and Ken besides graphics in the Original SF2 WW
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I'm making a slight change. SFA2 Ryu vs. Iori.
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