They made the arbitrary decision to engage in a superpowered battle next door to a crowded school yard. Regardless of knowing how big an explosion Nitro could produce, they fought him and slammed him into the side of a school bus...well guess what, "exploding guy" + school bus full of kids = a bad thing.
He could easily have exploded next to the gas tank and set it off, killing dozens of kids instead of hundreds.
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Well that's the point isn't it. You argued that "heroes" don't have the power to change the world, and I gave you examples that they do.
Yes, because Superman, Wonderwoman, and the rest of the JLA have proved time and again that they are "uber-powered tyrants" and not "people that try to make the world better". They're always fighting to assert their dominance over the planet.
The public has stated that they no longer want the help of unregistered heroes. For unregistered heroes to continue to force their help on a population that does want their help makes them no better than when Thor tried to rule the planet. Life is free will. Freedom to even refuse help from a stranger if you choose. Now stop changing the subject and get back on the topic of Speedball and Magog.
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I said change the world for the better. You said control it. Those are not changes that better the world.
They've been called tyrants on more than one occasion. I'm merely stating the obvious. They got a backlash from that during Infinite Crisis.
This is part of the topic, whether you realize it or not. You said they can control the world. I'm saying they can't and won't. Read the observations of the DCU by Marvel characters, and tell me that they don't see it as surreal and unrealistic. They controlled that planet until the people told them they didn't want their help anymore. Also, look at the references to DC heroes in Kingdom Come, calling them gods. You can't deny that they are seen as such.
In the Marvel Universe, it's different. Heroes know it's morally wrong to have that much pull. Also, if you read Civil War, you'll see that the people are divided over the issue.
Yes Speedball and Magog are just as responsable, though clearly under differant circumstances and contexts.
However. They are only as responsable for the outcomes of their conflicts as EVERY other hero is for the potential negative concequences of any fight they got in.
You need to stop looking at the comic world and its legal/moral issues from the light of a person who lives in the real world.
this isnt really on the same topic, but i figured I'd sort of answer this.
This is false. I have no capability to refuse the outside "help" of the government or police in many circumstances. True, if i loose my dog I can refuse their help, but trust me, there are a HUGE variety of instances where the "help" directive overrides the "freedom" directive.
oh, i can also scientifically proove that "free will" doesn't exist, but thats another topic altogeather
Speedball had nothing to do with fighting Nitro near the school ... that was Namorita's fault for letting him get that far ahead (which he shouldn't have been able to do given her speed)
The fact that he explodes at all means that conventional law enforcement is unneffective against him.... as SHIELD found out later.
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What, she was supposed to let the murderous villain continue running towards the school ground full of children where he most likely would've taken a hostage?
No, but instead of slamming him into a bus how about you just take him out...Her inaction is what caused the destruction; simple as that. Plus the fact that she was basically taunting him instead of just taking him out...
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Dec 5th, 2006 06:30 PM
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