No, because Escape recognizes the author inconsistencies. Luke was at his peak by DN, or more appropriately, TUF. He was supposed to get even better with LOTF, but who knows.
I don't think that he hasn't gotten even better with LOTF. Yeah, okay, the fight with Lumiya made him look a little less spectacular, but so what? Lumiya was using the crowd against him. If they had been fighting on a level playing field Luke would have owned. Luke was also more concerned with Mara than he was with his own fight. He was far from dedicated to defeating Lumiya.
Plus Lumiya is actually pretty powerful. She was recognized as having high potential. Also, she has a piece of the Kaiburr Crystal, increasing her power. Add that to the fact that she she has had a huge amount of time to train with her lightwhip and she is a very deadly foe, on par or perhaps even beyond the likes of Mace Windu.
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[QUOTE]Add that to the fact that she she has had a huge amount of time to train with her lightwhip and she is a very deadly foe, on par or perhaps even beyond the likes of Mace Windu.[/ QUOTE]
Your the one saying it why don't you prove it, unless having a peice of the Kaiburr crystal (So did ROTJ Luke) and training with a lightwhip = the level of Mace Windu. To answer that, no, it doesn't. Mace trained for over 40 years, perfected styles, created a new one, has the shatterpoint ability, was on of the greatest duelist EVER, Lumiya does not contend sorry.
Mace is nothing special in the movie, the highest form of canon, and the best and most valid source to go by. Given that Lumiya did so damn good against Luke speaks volumes, I would imagine, though I haven't actually read the book.
Lumiya says she could never master the dark side, has minimal Sith training, Mace beat Sidious the strognest Sith ever, now unless you wanna attempt to prove Lumiya > Sidious, then, Mace > Lumiya. The ABC's actually work in this case.
I love how Sith'Ari whines about the movies being highest form when he fails to consider the absence of proof fallacy he commits....and how his precious Bane doesn't exist in the movies. Whoops
This relates to her skill with a lightwhip, how? Way to miss the point.
LMAO, you probably couldn't form a worse ABC argument, considering how there lots of evidence supporting the assertion that Sidious threw the fight. And I don't see what's wrong with Lumiya being better than RotS Sidious in a saber battle, considering how well she did against Luke. Did it not ever occur to you that she was just that skilled with a lightsaber.
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You can't just call it an inconsistancy as an excuse, it still happened, so you'll just have to accept it, unless you can work around it by using an in-universe explanation?
@Lightsnake
I love how you whine about...everything. Stop being a woman.
It doens't it wasn't in response to that section it was in response to her overall, she blows.
Cosidering how Lucas said Sidious LEGIT lost that the lightsaber portion, I'd say your pretty damn you know wrong. Now she is not just THAT skilled as said before, she was using the crowd, got a cheap shot in on Luke(cutting off his hand before the two began) and Luke was more worried about Mara then the actual duel. And she still lost. If she was THAT skilled with all the handicaps she had on her side she should have won.
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1. Quit lying, you were only talking about saber skills. Here's exactly what you said:
^Not one thing is related to the force, there.
2. Lucas never said that, don't lie. And so what if she had all those handicaps, this is fricking Luke Skywalker, if she wasn't skilled, he should have been able to own her in a heartbeat.
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How bout this, books confirmed that lumiya isnt even half of what vader is and mace windu is a mile ahead of vader in saber abilities and where mace would pwn vader in a duel? That proves mace > lumiya
Again i repeat, lumiyas fight with luke is a fluke, Luke wasnt paying attention, he got distracted, and it was too easy for him, He was twice as powerful as vader by the way
When did the books ever confirm that Lumiya isn't half of what Vader is?
Luke is twice as powerful as Vader? I would say that he is MORE than twice as powerful. I think that there was some statement by Lucas that put Anakin's potential at ten times that of Sidious, as Luke's potential is close to Anakin's.
Your the one saying it why don't you prove it, unless having a peice of the Kaiburr crystal (So did ROTJ Luke) and training with a lightwhip = the level of Mace Windu. To answer that, no, it doesn't. Mace trained for over 40 years, perfected styles, created a new one, has the shatterpoint ability, was on of the greatest duelist EVER, Lumiya does not contend sorry.
Lumiya has trained for over 60 years. Longer than Mace has. And the Kaiburr Crystal is a big advantage. And for your information, ROTJ Luke was very powerful. As strong as Mace? No. But he'd have given him a hard time for sure. BTW, Shatterpoint is a common ability, Mace just has it to a much higher degree than most. It's not the end all, be all, though.
Lumiya says she could never master the dark side, has minimal Sith training, Mace beat Sidious the strognest Sith ever, now unless you wanna attempt to prove Lumiya > Sidious, then, Mace > Lumiya. The ABC's actually work in this case.
So what if she could never Master the Darkside? As far as I know even DE Sidious never managed to do that.
She doesn't have minimal Sith training. She was raised on one of Palpatine's estates and so would have recieved training for her entire life. She in her 60's by LOTF, so has more training than Mace.
Mace beat the strongest Sith ever 30 years before Sidious became that. As of ROTS he was far from all powerful. And Mace > Sidious isn't true. Mace defeated Sidious, but Sidious is still superior to him.
Here's the bottom line. Lumiya is a masterful user of the lightwhip. Mace has never fought against a lightwhip before. Unless someone has a shoto it's almost impossible for them to defeat someone who is using a lightwhip. Mace doesn't have a shoto. Lumiya wins.
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The statement has been "ten times" to "two times", and at the last point in juncture, the statement was "two times", and as far as "mastering the dark side", that statement has been made all the time. One could interpret that as mastering Sith arts or whatever, and it could be metaphorical for simply gaining enough skill to be considered a master.
In either case, the quote is wrong. Lumiya said that she could never become a Sith, because her body lacks the power required to become a master. She goes on to say that Vader could never have really became a master either. I'd say that it's probable that the two were on par, given that - according to the book - Lumiya's (the dark man's) presence reminded Luke of Vader, given the power and darkness within.
It is still probable to assume that Vader's power (at the time) surpassed hers by a large margin, and that her potential has always been weaker, considering how if her power eclipsed his, Palpatine would have tossed him aside long ago. But given that she has had more years to study the Force, she may know more techniques. But her training isn't comparable to the kind that Vader got, in my opinion.
In either case, aside from Luke, Mace Windu may very well be the most difficult opponent for a dark sider.
By ROTS, Palpatine was one of, if not the strongest Sith. However, Mace is fast and good enough that we've seen to reduce her lightwhip advantae with speed that Lumiya cannot match.
The reason Lumiya did so well is she hit an attack that destroyed one of Luke's hands and burned a hole in his lung, since he was concerned about Mara.
And Kiel Charney wasn't doing too shabby against Githany. If he didn't still love her, he'd have probably killed her
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