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Contradictions


Hmmm, I don't know about that one. I think it's more our simple minds. But that's just one opinion. I'm sure there are many. smile

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Is it our simple human minds that are unable to grasp the complexity of the words?
If such is the case, then the content is confusing. And given the quote from 1 Corinthians 14:33, it is not authored by God. Given this, it must be contradictory to itself or translated/scribed in error for it to be authored by God, at least from Urizen's position.


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Hmmm, I don't know about that one. I think it's more our simple minds. But that's just one opinion. I'm sure there are many. smile
our minds are not simple they are so far the pinnacle of evolution


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Is is contradictions...or our simple human minds that are unable to grasp the complexity of the words? Just wondering.




Yes there are clear contradictions....first God made Adam and Eve at the same time, then he made Eve from Adam's rib to ease his loneliness....


Thou shalt not kill, yet God killed massive amounts of people during the Great Flood, Plagues, etc.

God is not the author of confusion, yet the Bible has confused beleivers and non beleivers alike for centuries....



This whole, "well our minds are not capable of truly comprehending the Bible" argument is total bullshit, because if that is the case, then Hell is not justified since we could not be blamed for not interpretting the Bible correctly.


The Bible has been editted by the Roman Catholic Church centuries ago, an assembly of the most influential people in Rome decided what to include and exclude.


There are plenty of other gospels and books that have not been included which were written by other prophets and important people in the development of Christianity and Judaism....do some research and realize that Human Beings wrote the Bible....


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Yes there are clear contradictions....first God made Adam and Eve at the same time, then he made Eve from Adam's rib to ease his loneliness....


Thou shalt not kill, yet God killed massive amounts of people during the Great Flood, Plagues, etc.

God is not the author of confusion, yet the Bible has confused beleivers and non beleivers alike for centuries....



This whole, "well our minds are not capable of truly comprehending the Bible" argument is total bullshit, because if that is the case, then Hell is not justified since we could not be blamed for not interpretting the Bible correctly.


The Bible has been editted by the Roman Catholic Church centuries ago, an assembly of the most influential people in Rome decided what to include and exclude.


There are plenty of other gospels and books that have not been included which were written by other prophets and important people in the development of Christianity and Judaism....do some research and realize that Human Beings wrote the Bible....


I'm not really understanding the whole He made Adam and Eve and then Eve thing...please explain.

The bible hasn't really "confused" people so much as it has caused disagreements among people. It is very easy to take one single verse and have different interpretations on it.

I agree that things have been chosen to be included and excluded in the bible. But the reasons for exclusion of some don't bother me at all. I understand why they were excluded.

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I'm not really understanding the whole He made Adam and Eve and then Eve thing...please explain.



If you read the Books of Genises, first it states that Adam and Eve were created together to be God's final creation. It says that God made the animals first, then created Adam and Eve in his image to be the dominant of all life on Earth. It states Adam and Eve were both born of clay.



Then a few chapters later (actually a few books later) in the chapters of Genesis, it states that God made Eve from Adam's rib, and that God made the animals after he made Adam and Eve, and ordered Adam to name each animal. It states that God made Eve from Adam's rib because he was lonely.

According to this version of Genesis, God made Eve for the sole purpose of stopping Adam from feeling lonely.




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The bible hasn't really "confused" people so much as it has caused disagreements among people. It is very easy to take one single verse and have different interpretations on it.




Causing disagreements among people is confusion of truth. If God is not the author of confusion, then the Bible should be clear as day.






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I agree that things have been chosen to be included and excluded in the bible. But the reasons for exclusion of some don't bother me at all. I understand why they were excluded.




You don't get my point....if the Bible is truly the word of God, then why would "some" words of God be excluded while others included ????


Does GOD MAKE MISTAKES ?


WHY ISNT ALL OF "GOD's WORDS" INCLUDED ?


Does God say something, and then go "oh never mind" roll eyes (sarcastic)


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If you read the Books of Genises, first it states that Adam and Eve were created together to be God's final creation. It says that God made the animals first, then created Adam and Eve in his image to be the dominant of all life on Earth. It states Adam and Eve were both born of clay.



Then a few chapters later (actually a few books later) in the chapters of Genesis, it states that God made Eve from Adam's rib, and that God made the animals after he made Adam and Eve, and ordered Adam to name each animal. It states that God made Eve from Adam's rib because he was lonely.

According to this version of Genesis, God made Eve for the sole purpose of stopping Adam from feeling lonely.








Causing disagreements among people is confusion of truth. If God is not the author of confusion, then the Bible should be clear as day.










You don't get my point....if the Bible is truly the word of God, then why would "some" words of God be excluded while others included ????


Does GOD MAKE MISTAKES ?


WHY ISNT ALL OF "GOD's WORDS" INCLUDED ?


Does God say something, and then go "oh never mind" roll eyes (sarcastic)


Oh shit. I wish I new how to work the qoute features on here. Sorry for qouting the whole freakin thing. I think I'll go back and read Genesis tonight and give you my thoughts on that after I'm done. I really do suck at my bible reading so I hafta go back and read it. ok?

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Oh, and all of God's Word isn't included cause humans made the decisions and humans can make stupid decisions. smile

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Oh, and all of God's Word isn't included cause humans made the decisions and humans can make stupid decisions. smile


Where did you get the idea that the bible was the word of god?


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Where did you get the idea that the bible was the word of god?


How ya doing Shaky! smile

Well, whatever do you mean where did I get that idea? It is. smile

Don't give your old friend here a hard time shaky. stick out tongue

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How ya doing Shaky! smile

Well, whatever do you mean where did I get that idea? It is. smile

Don't give your old friend here a hard time shaky. stick out tongue


You are working with a premise that the bible is the word of god. Where did you get that information?


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You are working with a premise that the bible is the word of god. Where did you get that information?


Faith.

Shaky, why you so snappy with me since I returned? Upset at me? Or am I reading into something that is not even there?

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How ya doing Shaky! smile

Well, whatever do you mean where did I get that idea? It is. smile

Don't give your old friend here a hard time shaky. stick out tongue
you just say it is so it is?


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Faith.

Shaky, why you so snappy with me since I returned? Upset at me? Or am I reading into something that is not even there?


Ahahahahah! That makes no sense whatsoever! You think the bible is the word of a non existant god because of faith?! WTF?! Open your eyes, the bible is a bunch of made up stories! Seriously, how can anyone be that stupid? Really... think for yourself!!!

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Faith.

Shaky, why you so snappy with me since I returned? Upset at me? Or am I reading into something that is not even there?


Sorry, but faith is not the correct answer. Faith is why you believe. Where did you get the information that the bible is the word of god? Is what I would like to know.

You are reading into what I'm writing. I have big smile on my face. big grin Right now I'm watching a TV show and posting during commercials.


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Ahahahahah! That makes no sense whatsoever! You think the bible is the word of a non existant god because of faith?! WTF?! Open your eyes, the bible is a bunch of made up stories! Seriously, how can anyone be that stupid? Really... think for yourself!!!


Show some respect. Please. Once you've done that in response to me then I will respond to you.

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Sorry, but faith is not the correct answer. Faith is why you believe. Where did you get the information that the bible is the word of god? Is what I would like to know.

You are reading into what I'm writing. I have big smile on my face. big grin Right now I'm watching a TV show and posting during commercials.


Again, another good question. Hm, I will have to think on that one as well. Where and why about the bible being God's word. Does the fact that it states IN the bible help my case? confused

I'll take it as a "no" and dive deeper. I'll get back to you oh smiley Shaky. smile

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Lord Urizen,

Ok, I did some homework.

First of all I can't see where the first reference was made that they were BOTH made of clay. I use a more modern version of the bible, so that may be why.

However...the first reference to Him making male and female in Genesis 1:27 was because all of Genesis one is a "overview" of His work. Later in Chapter two He goes into greater detail of how Eve came to be. Notice that in Chapter one He made treees and such....then in Genesis 2 He says that when He made Adam there was no plants etc growing on earth? That's cause he hadn't sent rain yet.


If you could point me in the direction you see the reference to Adam and Eve both being made of clay in Genesis 1...that would be great. I just can't see it is all.

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Huh, never thought about it! Oh my goodness! I don't know. I think I would need to know more about other writings such as the Qu'ran before I try to comment on it.

Excellent question Alliance! I will dig a little and get back to you.

(was your first scentence meant to be sarcastic or serious? I took it as serious....that ok?)


I was being sarcastic, but omg if you haven't thought about it you certainly need too. I guess this sort of thing is something that I think about all the time as part of how do we reconcile a world of faiths that are all "right".


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Again, another good question. Hm, I will have to think on that one as well. Where and why about the bible being God's word. Does the fact that it states IN the bible help my case? confused

I'll take it as a "no" and dive deeper. I'll get back to you oh smiley Shaky. smile


So, the bible says it is the word of god and you believe that because of faith? There are one billion people who believe the bible is the word of god. The Koran also says it is the word of god, and just as many people believe it to be the word of god.

From an outsider’s point of view, what makes your belief more valid then a Muslim’s?


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