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Where does "The Crunch" come into the origin of the Marvel Universe?
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Roughly it means:

"Saying whatever sounds good in order to make the story work"


Damn, I'd just logged on and was going to translate it. It's pig latin really. stick out tongue

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Damn, I'd just logged on and was going to translate it. It's pig latin really. stick out tongue


confused not really

PigLatin and imperfect Latin are very different things.


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confused not really

PigLatin and imperfect Latin are very different things.


Well it's certainly imperfect.

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stick out tongue it was still clever (and an accurate analysis of comic cosmology)


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stick out tongue it was still clever (and an accurate analysis of comic cosmology)


It was that, it was also kind of a latin paraphrase of the end of my thread starter post in another tense stick out tongue

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According to modern scientific theories, the physical universe has no edge or barrier, it loops back in on itself, so if you go far enough, you'll end up back where you started from.
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By modeling the curvature of space with deep space instruments and such....
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Yes it's to do with how the Galaxies are moving apart they appear on a curve or bubble which itself is expanding. It's still only a theory.
That's the theory huh?


It's a known fact that the Universe is expanding exponentially, so if this theory is correct, eventually the Universe would expand to such a degree that it would collide with itself where it first started.



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No, that's not the way it works.

Think of the universe as the outside surface of a balloon, and all the galaxies are dots drawn on the balloon with a marker.

As air is pumped into the balloon, it expands, and the dots get farther away from each other, but they don't crash into each other.


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That's the theory huh?


It's a known fact that the Universe is expanding exponentially, so if this theory is correct, eventually the Universe would expand to such a degree that it would collide with itself where it first started.




The problem with that analysis is that nothing says the universe had to start anywhere.


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The problem with that analysis is that nothing says the universe had to start anywhere.
Well to put it in another way, if this theory is accurate, the Universe would collide with itself from the point where it initially started expanding.

Because the Universe had to have began expanding somewhere.


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Well to put it in another way, if this theory is accurate, the Universe would collide with itself from the point where it initially started expanding.

And we do know the Universe began expanding somewhere.


Actually we don't know that erm

And even if we did is still wouldn't bump into itself.


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Actually we don't know that erm
If something expands, it started expanding from somewhere.

The Universe used to be much smaller, now it is much bigger..... It started from somewhere.

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And even if we did is still wouldn't bump into itself.
If this theory is to be believed, I don't see why it wouldn't.


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The universe didn't begin expanding somewhere, it began expanding everywhere.

It's just at the Big Bang, "everywhere" was confined to a very small space, and then it expanded. There was no one place where it started.


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If something expands, it started expanding from somewhere.

The Universe used to be much smaller, now it is much bigger..... It started from somewhere.


No quite.

If you take a balloon and suck all the air out of it and then then inflate it again there is not point that it part of the balloon where the expansion began.

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If this theory is to be believed, I don't see why it wouldn't.


Mainly since it has a limitless quantum vaccum into which it can expand. The only thing that would cause trouble would be if it fell back in on itself (due to the mass inside) or froze (due to there being too much space)


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The universe didn't begin expanding somewhere, it began expanding everywhere.

It's just at the Big Bang, "everywhere" was confined to a very small space, and then it expanded. There was no one place where it started.
I understand that, but there was unquestionably point(s) of expansion...

Any one of these near infinite ammount of points is where the Universe would collide with itself, if this theory is correct.


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No quite.

If you take a balloon and suck all the air out of it and then then inflate it again there is not point that it part of the balloon where the expansion began.
The expansion point is the nipple shifty, that you're blowing into........ Which expands the balloon.
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Mainly since it has a limitless quantum vaccum into which it can expand. The only thing that would cause trouble would be if it fell back in on itself (due to the mass inside) or froze (due to there being too much space)
What it sounds like this theory is saying, is that if something travels in one or any direction in this Universe, it will eventually end up where it first started.

I don't see how this would be any different for an expanding Universe.


(I do think that theory is BS though)...


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What it sounds like this theory is saying, it that if something travels in one or any direction, that it will eventually end up where it first started.


Only if you're a sperate object traveling on the balloon's surface.

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I don't see how this would be any different for an expanding Universe.


(I do think that theory is BS though)...


Every point in space is moving away from every other point in space not toward it


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There is no nipple, that's just an analogy.

Think of it as an expanding sphere (even though it's higher dimensional than that)

What is expanding is spacetime itself, all of it at once. Every galactic cluster is moving slowly away from every other one.


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Only if you're a sperate object traveling on the balloon's surface.

Every point in space is moving away from every other point in space not toward it
Again, this theory makes it seem as though the Universe itself is almost a sperical shape, so if something travels in one direction for long enough, it would eventually come back to it's starting point.

I have no clue as to the specifics of this theory, that's just my general impression.


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There is no nipple, that's just an analogy.

Think of it as an expanding sphere (even though it's higher dimensional than that)

What is expanding is spacetime itself, all of it at once. Every galactic cluster is moving slowly away from every other one.
If you're viewing the Universe as a Sphereical shape, eventually something expanding within this sphere would meet with itself at some point.

Unless it expands infinitely of course


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Again, this theory makes it seem as though the Universe itself is almost a sperical shape, so if something travels in one direction for long enough, it would eventually come back to it's starting point.

I have no clue as to the specifics of this theory, that's just my general impression.


Its much more complex than spherical. But when compared to the universe itself every object within it is one dimension lower and in a closed system.

Imagine a line going in a circle.
Imagine a triangle sliding along a sphere.
Imagine a 3D space ship moving in an equivalent manner though 4D or higher space.

erm Its an odd theory but it does work for the most part.


[edit] I see what you're saying now. The reason it doesn't bump into itself is that points that are part of the balloon don't act the same way as points traveling on it.


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