1. Darth Sidious - Everyone knows this by now... Statements and feats put him here.
2. Darth Nihilus - Capable of using Force Tk on a level where he could pull a fleet out of a gravity well...fed on planets...somehow made his wreck of a flagship spaceworthy with his power.
3. Darth Bane/Exar Kun - Bane gets this spot because I heard he moved a moon or something... if he didn't, then I'll demote him. Kun drained the Massassi, studied from the Ancient Sith and displayed high powers in The Force and lightsaber combat.
4. Bane/Kun
5. If it wasn't for their use of augmentation items, someone like Sadow could go here... But he apparently needed amulets to achieve feats like the mass illusions. So I dunno who to give it to. These people aren't performing Force Storms or eating planets or that kinda stuff... We have someone like Dooku who could bring people to their knees with a finger. Traya who could drain the life from 3 Jedi Masters (I found out why this was on wookie. She was originally supposed to drain them, taunt them, then kill them with Force Crush). So...I'll think about it.
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Nihilus Fanboy. Your theories of "Nihilus is teh uber" have been debunked. And I don't see why Kun and Bane are up there while Revan, who had at the very least, as much knowledge as Kun, is not.
I never played KOTOR. I also detest it for its horrid plotholes.
I simply go by what I read and see. And what I read and see definitely puts Nihilus above Kun or Bane or any of them.
Unless yu are somehow the official unquestioned authority on canon, I don't think so. My "theories" are nothing more than using statements from the game.
Statement 1- He can drain planets.
Statement 2- He can move a fleet of ships from a gravity well.
There's no theorizing. There's just using canon and facts.
Revan isn't a Sith any more. I don't count him.
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The reason I put him on top is because in pure combat, he's invincible. Whether he can be convinced to die or not has no relation on his combat prowess. I basically base these lists on who would be more capable at winning in these versus threads, based purely on a combat standpoint, and that's why Sion's #1.
Don't you mean 'invincible?'
So what? The Exile's damn powerful. It's also very likely that he was restrained during the fight because of the fact that the Traya loved The Exile more than she had ever loved him, and couldn't take it, and was therefor at quite a low, in terms of his moral.
We don't know that, you're just assuming. Really, he more than proved that he was skilled when he took off Traya's hand before she could even react. Traya's got some pretty insane precognition levels, some of the highest in the entire SW mythologies that we've thus far seen, so it would have required some pretty good speed and skill to slice off her hand before she could respond to it.
The fact that he can't be killed through combat makes him much more than a potent rival Gideon, it pretty much makes him unstoppable.
Dude, Sion's not simply going to lose the will to live to just any good manipulator or anybody with some sort of link to Traya, what you're essentially arguing is actually pretty ridiculous. It would be like saying that Sidious would always overpower Yoda with a blast of lightning, or that Mace would always disarm Sidious with a kick, in any fight, simply because it happened once. Sion losing his will is dependant on hundreds of factors that were entirely unique to the very plotline in KotOR 2. Take those factors away (which is what happens in these versus threads, which these lists are based off of, due to the lack of a story element), and the end result is not going to repeat itself. Sion realistically should be #1.
Anyways I think I'm gonna change my list a bit, I completely forgot about Jacen (who I now consider a sith) and the order's a bit wrong:
So you have no argument, nor any basis for an argument you might have. GOtcha. Next time before sticking your foot in your mouth, I suggest you read POD and play KOTOR. Arguing out of ignorance is as bad as it gets.
And unfortunately for you, you don't have any arguments, just statements from the game as your canon soures. However an X amount of statements from games are clearly made from fallible 3rd party characters. Get that through your thick skull.
I guess knowing what canon is and isn't is a foreign concept to you.
Good for you, nobody cares. He was a sith therefore he could be counted as a sith.
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Two questions, Allfg:
Didn't Traya let Sion cut off her hand to show the Exile the bond between Traya and the Exile?
Traya's precog doesn't come close to Sidious', unless you're referring to her comment about the Mandalorians, in which case she was, regrettably, wrong. And predicting that at some point a Jedi would kill a Mandalorian isn't that much of a prediction.
It's not stated in the game or anything, and really, it's highly unlikely, given that Traya leaving herself open to Sion like that is risking her life, I mean she can't have guaranteed that he'd attack and slice off her hand and not her head or anything. It's not the type or risk she'd take, she wasn't reckless, and given that she could have simply used many more opportunities to show The Exile that a bond existed between them that actually wouldn't have been so risky, unless there's direct proof saying such a thing, it's safe to assume against it.
Any reasons why not?
How so? Boba is technically a clone, and shouldn't really count, so she's right isn't she?
You're looking at this too superficially. It's not the fact that she predicted the death of a Mandalorian which is impressive, but the fact that she was able to pinpoint the specific action thousands of years before it happened.
When are you going to learn that invincibility does not translate to actual power, Nebaris? In a list based on power, Sion is not number one (or any where close) because he has not exhibited feats of power that surpasses any of the upper level Siths. Sidious, for example, is miles and miles ahead of him.
Actually, I don't mean either, since he died, he isn't immortal, invincible, or invulnerable. Nearly so? Yes. But not quite.
So what? Lmao. The Exile is no where near being on par with a NJO Luke or a DE Sidious or a Yoda, or whatever. So, quite simply, Sion was outclassed by someone who isn't that special outside of a unique status with the Force. Next, of course, you'd have to provide an adequete argument and prove that Sion's "morale was low" and that it affected his combat ability.
That's a stretch.
According to Jolly, Traya let it happen, and according to Nai (with quotes as evidence) Traya considers Sion's knowledge and skill to be inadequete. As far as her "precognition" skills are concerned, it isn't infallible, nor would I consider "predicting future events" to be the same as battle-ready precognition. Yoda, for example, was unable to see jack shit in the PT but was still an amazing combatant in terms of predicting moves, and Sidious - the guy manipulating the whole thing - was disarmed by Mace, even when he [Sidious] exhibited the greatest use of "precognition" in the movies.
Yet he was stopped.
No, it isn't the same. Sion is susceptible to assaults from The Exile (who, as ACstyles has proven, could kill Sion without mentioning Traya).
Darth "I-manipulated-the-friggen-galaxy-and-ruled-it-for-two-decades" Sidious and Darth "I-concocted-a-plan-to-destroy-the-Force" Traya would easily break Sion's will, because that's what they do: break people's wills and make them convert to their own agenda. The Exile is a dumbass compared to these two, and if she did it, then they could as well.
Yeah, right. Except a 'regular' Malak is proven to be less than Count Dooku, Revan is weaker than Yoda, and Sion's only claim to fame is his psuedo-invincibility.
In terms of power, you've got DE Sidious. Then Solo, Kun, Bane, Revan, Nihilus, Dooku, Ragnos, and maybe Malak (this isn't in order).
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Weren't you just saying how great her precog was?
Look at Palpatine from Episode I to the end of Episode VI, then guess why.
Boba restarted the Mandalorians, meaning that Jango wasn't the last...
That would be like a prediction that "The last Jedi Master will die in exile." (Please note I made that up to prove a point) That would be accurate with Yoda's death, but, since the Jedi order restarted, he was not the last Jedi Master.
She never gave a time period, and, until the last Mandalorian does actually die at the hands of a Jedi, it really means nothing.
You have no arguments, and you seem to be here 24/7. Nihilus wasn't moving fleets with TK either, your theory has been debunked. And Bane and Revan were using force storm, thought bomb, and force wave, aka by your logic, they own.
You know nothing about canon so as usual, you're wrong.
Why would Solo be above Kun escape, I thought we discussed this? Jacen hasn't exibited anything impressive on the level of Kun or Revan or hell even Bane. And lets leave Ragnos out of this because I want to continue debating objectively and it's a little hard when you include Ragnos, who should be #2 in my opinion Anyways, Revan should be second followed by Kun, then the rest I don't care.
Apr 18th, 2007 11:53 PM
Anyways, Revan should be second followed by Kun, then the rest I don't care.
