Revan and Anakin take this, Revan is likely stronger in the force then Exar and his knowledge of Sith powers far eclipses Exar, and Anakin pisses on Maul in saber combat.
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Idiot, hand to hand combat doesnt = being good in saber combat, As far as canon goes, kun > revan in saber combat
No he didnt, none of the jedis sensed exar kun but instead with all their effort sent a wall of light flying on him
And just what the hell are you talking about? Of course the know something about him fool. Its just that they never met him now guaged his powers, and vrook was referring to students THEY trained you moron.
Not with the amulet blasts and the golden globe to amplify kuns power
Um according to whom now? Please give me some substantiated evidence on Exar Kun other then that whole "he performed like a master-swordsman" crap, which could mean he performed on Sera Keto's or Kit Fisto's level. Evidence other then beating a old crab who sucked in the first place.
The fact that he is rather good at hand to hand combat to the point he could beat Mandalore shows he's physically able combined with his supreme precognitive abilities, his connection to the force, and the quote of Canderous calling him the greatest single warrior of the era: meaning he's the best in Canderous eyes who has seen the numerous Jedi/Sith on the battle field. Double that with his victory over the "near unstoppable" Malak on the Star Forge that was described as epic and vicious (Meaning logically it probably wasn't a straight up force duel as saber combat is Malaks strong suit and what he always engages Revan in hence the igniting of the saber at the start of the duel)
Add that to all his knowledge of combat attained from the Ancient Sith and Jedi alike (in both dogma's he has a far more complete training in then Exar who didn't even finish his saber training and was a Padawan where as Revan was a Knight) And you have someone who would logically best Exar Kun in a saber duel as he'd have far more knowledge of the styles and is stronger in the force.
And you can prove that how? I'm pretty sure Exar's massive dark aura(especially since he was making no real attempts to conceal it with him performing a Sith ritual that drained a race and all) would be a pretty large damn target for the Jedi above Yavin 4.
Again and you can prove that how? Considering Vrook was apart of the Dantooine council only a mere months after the end of the GSW and was an active enough member to send Duron Qel Droma and others out on the Great Hunt (Shadows and Light). Logic points to Vrook probably meeting/seeing Exar Kun while he was a padawan. Other then that at the Conclave after the battle in the Empress Teta system Exar's scream is felt throughout the galaxy so again obviously he'd have a chance to feel his power/presence there.
The Golden Globe was on Yavin was it not? And the same Amulets which have never been used on a force user who can mount a credible defense against it? The same Amulets that Exar even says he could barley control the energy he was unleashing? The same Amulets that Exar says had almost destroyed him? Even if you want to make an argument of "he gained more control with time" the DSSB still says he's harmed by the use of them. And how will that save him from Revan who can conjure up a force storm over his head? Or use any other of the plethora of powers he has, which as I've said Exar probably hasn't even heard of.
First, if there are some idiots here you must be the top on. I don't remember to be unpolite to anyone so if you can't chat as a normal person just to speak to me.
Second, greatest WARRIOR don't mean hand to hand combat, means that as a WARRIOR, as a fighter in the battlefield, he was the best, and since he was a jedi/sith, then he was the best with his lightsaber/force/both. As as far as canon goes, THIS is canon.
"Vrook Lamar was a male Human Jedi Master who fought during the Great Sith War. He served the Jedi Order on both the Jedi High Council and the Dantooine Enclave Council during the Great Hunt"- Wookipedia for you.
You little sh*t, if you talked like this to me in real life i would make eat dust. ESPECIALLY when you are attacking me for no reason at all. You are bias person for sure so i think it's stupid to continue this. By the way, Vrook said "the sudent we had ever SEEN"
By the was, this is from adjunta pall to you: "So much power...it is bliding" or "The force is so strong in you human"- Adjunta Pall to Revan.
Since we've never seen Revan perform the Force Storms we don't know exactly how long it takes him to do it, but to answer your question: No, based on given evidence Kun could probably get off faster. However, this is all assuming Exar even does it (he's never resorted to the DBZ blasts in a duel) and he can also control it, and that Revan doesn't simply dodge or block them with a force shield till he kills himself.
My point is the Amulet blasts aren't the be all end all of the duel, as with a very simply application of force speed Revan could probably dodge them and Exar can't simply get in position and blast away like a cannon indefinitely.
Force shields are powerful enough to repel amulet blasts? And Revan can evade them when they are said to increase in size and power when Kun gets pissed?
If they can stop blast that have the power to turn the sentient body into pudy and obliterate giant mulit storied temples, then yes. And that shield was done on the fly by an weaker force user then Revan.
Yeah considering when he shot things in TOTJ they were either stationary or huge, and Revan would neither and has the aid of the force to simply dodge them till Kun either stops or kills himself.
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Ok kamhal, im sorry im going to be harsh but guess what, you cant debate nor can you form cogent arguements
Sadly you hold that title, Nebaris has shown greater intelligence than even you have and guess what? Even chimpanzees has shown greater ways of displaying intelligence than you will ever do
Fair enough
Hmm so? Did he met exar kun personally? Did he fight kun at all? Again the idiot quote you gave me was specifically referring to the students THEY trained.
Lol try, thats if your hand can even reach my face and guess what, i remember your so fond of telling me you demand respect, Well your highness, beat me up = you lose respect from every body including me and i thought you would be smart enough to realise that your breaking the law if you even attempted to do that so pelase do not justify your actions
Its not no reason, there is. you ARE an idiot especially from what iv been through with you in the past
By the way its THE students THEY trained. And exar kun was a pussy as a student compared to what he is as DLOTS. And if you can actually even comprehend stuff which you cant, You would have realised in-universe characters are fallible
Hmm did ajunta met palpatine? Did ajunta meet kun? I never denied revan is very powerful
And styles i concede on saying kun > revan. Just putting sensed into this ****** im argueing with
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You are funny. I don't even remember who you are or what i talk to you. You see, i have plenty of things to think in my life, so i don't have "room" to remember conversations from a chat some months before, especially when i am talking about such trivial subject (since star wars and this forum is just a very very very small fraction of my life).
Second, i start getting rude after you call me "idiot", "fool" and "moron". So, you are accusing of being rude after you used verbal offenses 3 times in a row? lol, lol and lol.
Third, again i reply, vrook said ALL the students ALL the masters from the dantoine council had ever SEEN, not TRAIN.
Anyway, at least you can understand Canderous' statement, what is a good start.
So, since this is anakin and revan vs maul and kun, i am still saying that the first team wins. So, unless you came with the amulet's crap, you can't denie their victory.
Wasn't Kas'im's blast telekinesis? If so, that makes it fundamentally different from an 'energy blast' like Kun's amulet. It's kind've like Force pushing Force lightning (a feat that I can't recall in recent memory).
Assuming this happens, it would likely just piss Kun off, which in turn would increase the size and lethality of the blasts themselves.
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Well im kadesh btw
I said that because you are using quotes to prove revan > exar which is ambigious, Yes it is debatable weather or not if one is stronger than the other but the point is the quotes you gave can be debated on. And lol lol and lol? I thinks lmfao is the better phrase to use
Best student we have seen - vrook, The key word is "have seen" and as i said, exar isnt good as a student. He is far more powerful as a DLOTS
Lets see, assuming exar takes on anakin with his amulets, revan on maul, Anakin gets killed getting blasted by the amulet while revan annihiltaes maul with the force.
Then its revan vs exar kun which i am not going to touch up on at the moment
And its rather irrelevant if it was a TK attack or an visible physical manifestation of the force ie: Force Lightning. The force is the force, Kuns amulets are still "Force Energy" no matter what form they take, and as long as its that then it can be blocked by the force as well. The same goes for force lightning.
A perfect example of this in action is in Ep3 when Yoda stuffs the Sidious's force lightning and you see that the lightning isn't actually touching his hands and you see waves of blue light coming from Yoda's hands, its a force shield, using the force to block the force
And whats to stop Revan from again blocking and or moving? The limit of power we've seen with Kun's attack was killing the Sith Wrym and blowing a hole in the temple wall, we've seen force shields from weaker force users then Revan stop blasts that would liquidate them, and could blow apart a 20 story temple, Revan is in no real danger here. Meanwhile, Kun continues to lose control of himself to the point that it becomes lethal to him to even perform the attack.
Ok, next time i disagree with your i will starting calling whatever i wants. Agreed? By the way, that is what i call "irony", and more then that, i would rather prefer roftl then lmao... "my ass out"? Completly nonsense or at least gay to me, but let's forget the acronymes...
Yeah, right, at most this would piss anakin off and making him blast exar kun. You know, the best tactic to defeat anakin is not pissing him off, because his anger focused in an opponent means sure dead to most of characters, pheraps even to exar kun.
Its artist interpretation (a crappy artist to fit with a crappy writer), which is why when we see anther force user (Ulic) do an amulet blast it looks completely different from Kun's.
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How about "You're the most formidable student I ever had", coming from a guy who trained Jedi for more than five centuries (Vodo) ? And can you give me some evidence for Revan's uber duelling abilities ?
Aside of that, I love you complete lack of thought about the "master swordsman" title. Kit Fisto ? You're talking about the same guy that was visibly better with a lightsaber than post-AotC Obi-Wan (read "Cestus Deception") ? Sera Keto ? You're talking about the same Sera Keto that is the most formidable student of Cin Drallig, mastered a Jar'Kai variation of Juyo and almost managed to kill pre-suit RotS Vader ? Yay !
Can you remind me where Revan brought down Mandalore in hand to hand combat ? He killed Mandalore. Did he slaughter him with a lightsaber ? Did he simply force choke him to death or blast him away with a nice wave of force lightning ?
His "supreme precognitive abilities" ? You're perfectly aware of the fact where this myth comes from ? The Handmaiden mentions that Yusanis had the ability to forsee the development of Battles over months / years. She did draw the conclusion that because Revan was capable of beating Yusanis he must have had even greater talents in terms of precognition. Question: Are the Echani a race of force sensitives nowadays ? I don't think so. That means the ability to predict battles must come from the fact that combat is the foundation of their society.
Ok. They have better reflexes than regular humans but neither real precognition nor any force based abilities. So Revan's "supreme precognition" is based on the fact that he managed to beat some nice strategist with slightly-above-human reflexes in a duel ? Impressive.
And Canderous ? Who did Canderous actually see in battle ? Kun ? Ulic ? Nope. I'm pretty sure that Revan is the greatest warrior Canderous has ever seen in action. What else should be the case ? The only Jedi (or "Sith") that did participate in the Mandalorian Wars, were Revan and his minions. And since none of them was above Revan in terms of skill it's not that much of a surprise that he's the greatest warrior Canderous has ever seen. That's like saying "Sidious is the most powerful Sith appearing in the PT"...
And Malak is how powerful exactly compared to the likes of Kun ? How good is he with a lightsaber ? Really. What have we seen from the great Darth Malak ? He was capable of force choking a Jedi and use force lightning. That puts him on one level with Dooku (at best). His saber skill ? Obviously not enough to deal with Kavar who went to face him and managed to escape alive. Also not enough to deal with the Jedi who took his jaw off. Hell...one might ask why it took him several minutes (apparently) to actually deal with Padawan Bastilla on the Leviathan which led to the escape of his nemesis Revan.
Considering that, one might ask how good Revan is with a lightsaber if he has to go through an "epic" duel with that guy...
Oh. The "Kun is a Padawan" myth again.
Kun was obviously capable enough with a saber to beat his own master who, right after this defeat, claims that Exar was his most formidable student ever. This is coming from the same guy who spent centuries with training Jedi. If Vodo puts Kun above all other students he's ever trained it's pretty obvious that none of them (Knight or not) did even virtually come close to Exar.
Then Kun, during that "not finished his lightsaber training" days did display knowledge of Jar'Kai and Djem So. This pretty much mirrors Anakin in AotC. How far away was Anakin from completing his lightsaber training ? What do you think ? Apparently it was enough to slaughter a village filled with Tusken and go toe-to-toe with one of the greatest duellists of his own era (Dooku, the unquestioned master of the "refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat") to an extend where Dooku needed to take a deep breath after having finally dealt with him.
And Revan had more knowledge about the lightsaber forms and actual combat ? Can you remind me where Revan came up with a completely new weapon form and a corresponding combat style. I must have missed that...somehow. Yet I may remind you that Kun's "knowledge sources" are Freedon Nadd, who single-handly f*cked up an entire army (the Beast Riders on Onderon) and Naga Sadow. The latter one is especially interesting since he belongs to the four people (next to Ragnos, Hord and Pall) that Kreia is basically worshipping as if they were gods.
Urm. How the hell would they sense Kun's specific aura in a damn maelstorm of Dark Side energy ? This while they were all focused on creating that nice wall of light. And notice that, despite of the fact that he was hit by the combined power of all Jedi in the Galaxy with the intention to destroy him completely, Kun's spirit still managed to survive that attack. How would Revan even be remotely compareable to that ?
Asking to proof a negative ? Nice idea. Present some proof that Vrook did set one foot on Dantooine before the end of the Great Sith War to meat Kun as a Padawan. The Council there was installed after the death of Vodo. So I really don't see why Vrook should have been there before. Especially since the place seems to have been Vodo's personal training facility. Or did you see other Jedi Masters / Padawans there ?
That would translate into feeling one's power how exactly ?
Again: Asking to proof a negative (Basically: "Proof that there is no defence against such an amulet blast"). One might ask why those amulets are descriped as being "deadly" if one can simply put some defense up against them. One might also ask how an uncontrolled and unfocused amulet blast floored Nomi Sunrider ? And Exar is "harmed" by those amulets ? Yeah. That "being harmed" turns down to think that his hand is burned by using that amulet. I wonder how that matters if he vaporizes Revan and Anakin with a single blast each.
Yeah, right. I wonder what would save Revan from the plethora of powers that he has never heared of and that Kun does possess. Kun's freaking spirit was capable of coming up with attacks (namely that nice snakelike things made out of pure Dark Side energy) that DE Luke (with all defenses Yoda has taught him) can't defend himself against and has never heared about. The same DE Luke that studied the entire Dark Side knowledge of DE Sidious.
And you really think that Kun would even care about some intensified form of force lightning (Revan's force storm) when he was capable of resisting a wall of light attack from Odan and survive an attack coming from all Jedi in the galaxy ? Right. Of course Revan would first need to come up with something like that before Kun blasts him into dust.
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