How many times has Surfer been tagged? That's right..many.
Do you really want to bring up that thread? It was pretty embarrassing on your behalf.
Especially since SS wouldnt have ANY powers in the zone.
Nope, all that matter is that you are trying to deflect the debate.
You do know that Henshaw doesn't even need a body right? Or that he can be in different bodies simultaneously?
In this environment, Surfer is screwed. He can be drained, zoned, gassed, ko'd..etc.
Opponents nowhere near Superman's speed have tagged SS.
Then again, this is henshaw, not Superman...and he has a LOT more options...especially in this environment.
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I can't even see how this is an arguement. How is Surfer's control over tech better than Henshaw's? Henshaw was controlling Oan, Manhunter, New Gods, Kryptonian and The Source Wall . I wouldn't give Surfer a prayer of ever doing that.
With that established, Surfer is basically ****ed. K-nite may work, but it may not. Cyborg has had quite a few reactions to it. But like Avlon said, what does it matter? In an enviroment like this, there are a million ways for Henshaw to win.
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And have you ever heard me claim that Surfer's speed was to much for anyone to handle? I can almost guarantee that you haven't because I never base a victory off of that kind of thing.
I don't know why it was embarrassing for me, I brought up several pieces of evidence to show that Surfer could jump dimensions with ease and at will, and the only thing brought forth to counter it was the time he was being held by an Eternity level entity.
And I don't know why you're so sure that Surfer would be powerless, SBP certainly wasn't.
If you'd rather save face by focusing on Henshaw rather than your double standard regarding Supes that's fine, I'll just remember and post this thread the next time I hear you talking about Supes superior speed over his opponent.
Anyway Supes aside, Surfer wins via K-Nite blast.
Again, I almost never comment on Surfer's speed being the deciding factor, Supes fans on the other hand...
You brought up the speed thing for Superman, not I. Strange considering we're debating Henshaw.
Which were all countered by multiple people or had little or nothing to do with what was being debated.
Perhaps because that is what the zone does? Why are you comparing SBP (the guy who changes time and history with his fists) to Surfer anyway?
Feel free. I'll happily do the same in your SS threads.
Anyway... SS gets wtf pwned by henshaw under these circumstances.
Especially if he's contained in a field which negates him from absorbing cosmic energy, he's drained of cosmic power, zoned, physically ko'd, z-gassed, or hit with arsenide.
Unlike Surfer, Superman has plenty of speed feats without the use of a board.
But then again, we're on the subject of Henshaw...not standard Superman.
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I brought up Supes speed because you were trying to justify a weakness to tech for Surfer based of a couple of showings, when there's a far greater number of showings where Supes gets tagged that you refuse to accept.
NONE of them were countered. The only thing that was put forth was the time he was being held in another universe by that universes version of Eternity.
It obviously doesn't do it ALL the time, because it didn't do it to SBP.
Go right ahead. I try to apply the same standards of judgement concerning characters powers to everyone(even Surfer), so I don't see it being that much of a bother.
Of course he does, if you want to ignore the majority of his showings dealing with tech in favor of the handful were he goes down to it.
But even if we choose to cater to the double standard and consider tech to by SS's bane, I still see Hank going down to K-nite before he whips up any of the stuff you listed.
Unlike Surfer, Supes doesn't have a board. Surfer's got a lot more speed feats on a surf board than Supes does .
Apples and oranges...then again.. I'm sure nobody is surprised.
Again you are the one bringing up speed...not me.
Feel free to dig up the thread then. We could all use a hearty laugh at your expense.
Again, SS and Sbp are 2 totally different characters. You're out on a limb here...especially considering how the zone works.
He'd be a phantom like wraith with no powers.
Sbp retconned history of a universe with simple punches. There is no comparison.
As do I. Matter of fact, you're so sore about this that you went ahead and whined about it in another thread.
You're trying to limit henshaw even in an environment where he has a huge advantage.
No, you're the one who wants to disregard what's not convenient...since there are many examples of SS going down to tech. Thanos is a good example too.
You're going out on a limb...but continue if you want.
Traveling, he sure does... fighting is a different story... and he's had decades to prove so..
What part of I haven't brought up speed (since it's not needed in this fight) don't you get? Henshaw is a whole fortress, not a single body.
This reeks of SS fanboyism.
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I really don't see why it's out of the question for Surfer to lose to (what is in effect) a sentient fortress of extremely advanced Kryptonian technology overwhelming him.
I mean, he's certainly been defeated by less...
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For all intents and purposes, this thread is over...he'll probably come back with some unrelated stuff or try to divert which is his usual tactic.
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Why would I do that? I already made my points and no one was able to refute them. The closest thing to it came from leo, and he brought up the time Surfer was held in another universe by another version of Eternity.
Well the Phantom Zone obviously doesn't work the same way on EVERYONE, because SBP still retained his abilities(and evidently his body). The Soul World typically robs people of their standard abilities too, but Surfer kept his powers when he was there and managed to escape.
I didn't whine about anything. He was talking about double standards so I pointed out that I can relate. I'm no more upset about this than I would be if xmeat came back spewing a bunch of BS about the Hulk.
And I'm not trying to limit Henshaw, I just don't think he'll be as effective as you believe and I don't see him as being anything the Surfer can't deal with because of his track record against tech(where the good showing far outweigh the bad showings), and the fact that he has access to K-nite and red sun radiation.
My disregarding what you're saying has nothing to do with convenience, it has to do with the fact that Surfer's good showings against tech far outweigh the bad. Again if you'd like to have a scan battle to see if Surfer's good showings outweigh the bad I have no problem doing that.
Really? How many fights has Supes have on the back of a surf board .
And Surfer has dealt with that kind of thing before, so I fail to see your point.
Yeah...I'm basing my opinion off of logic and the majority of Surfer's showings(and didn't cast an actual verdict until I made sure about Henshaw's resistance to k-nite and red sun radiation) and I'M the one that's being a fanboy.
I NEVER said that it's out of the question for Surfer to lose. People were acting like SS didn't have a chance because of the location so I pointed out that it's hardly as clear cut as that. In fact I didn't even make a prediction until I found out that Henshaw lacks Supes resistance to K-nite.
Yes. But which do you think would happen first? Hank transferring consciousness, or Surfer calculating and analyzing Hank's weakness via cosmic awareness and then blasting him with said weakness? Me thinks the former.
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Henshaw is a cyborg, so it's safe to assume that he wouldn't be completely f*cked by K-nite. Also he's probably the best technopath in DC universe.
Speedblitz is boring and overused sometimes, that's it. But Surfer's transmutation ability sometimes used in the same boring way here on KMC.
Imaginative drivel. Especially when the whole story isn't told.
More apples and oranges. SBP = changed reality itself with his fists. He's been shown on panel to do this to the zone.
Surfer = a powerless phantom like everyone else. Especially post IC.
At the same time, Kryptonite doesn't affect everyone the same either...maybe kryptonite kills heralds. Let's go by your debating tactics.
Yes..you felt the need to try and low blow.
I'm not trying to limit SS either... but the advantage is definitely on Henshaws behalf here if you consider his powerset as well...especially if how you say..no PIS is involved.
Your disregarding it is plenty convenient.
I can show lots of scans of SS taking beatdowns because of his personality too.
Are those all PIS too?
How many times are you going to try and grind something this moot?
Superman isn't in this thread.
And he's fallen to it many a times...weakened to the point where a human beat him.
Then your logic is highly flawed. I don't understand what issue you are having understanding that SS is battling a foe in his place of power and one that hampers him.
And yes...it's very fanboyish on your part. Do you think SS would override Thanos tech?
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Does he normally transfer his consciousness in the opening moments of a fight? Hell DID he alter his form in the opening of their fight(not canon for power gauging of course, but IMO an accurate portrayal of their personality).
Henshaw is actually MORE resistant to kryptonite than Clark...and that's in a standard kryptonian form.
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So Surfer can scan and try to use Kryptonite, but Henshaw can't do the same to Surfer for his weaknesses or do something he's done before which is become the environment?
I smell double standard.
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Sep 3rd, 2007 03:48 AM
I wouldn't give Surfer a prayer of ever doing that. 
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