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...He's dead.

Ass.

That's just what he wants you to think.....

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Don't get me wrong ....I also think that Spiderman's villains have an edge, particularly when it comes to the raw power quotient (where the average Spidey villain packs higher octane than the typical Bruce villain ....with exceptions, some major, here and there ....and in at least one case a total turnaround if you include someone like BatMite into the mix). While with time to come up with a proper plan the Bruce villains (e.g. Hush or al Ghul) could come up with something nasty, a straight up fight would lead to the Spidey villains winning.

However, my reason for posting is to bring up something you said ....about the Green Goblin being Spiderman's Joker. I understand what you mean, and i agree .....that GG is basically analogous to the Joker.

However that brings up a point i want to raise (even if you ignore exceptions like Batmite, or Poison Ivy) ......imagine your family is on the line, and the following scenario comes up:

i) Green Goblin is coming after them.
ii) The Joker is coming after them.

I know which one would make me worry the most.

Or, another example: Killer Croc coming after you, or the Rhino. Rhino is more powerful, but I'd personally rather him than some dude who would love nothing more than dragging me into a sewer for a 'snack.'

Or take the HobGoblin ....and imagine having him OR the Scarecrow coming after you.

Or imagine having the Punisher (who, though not a villain, has faced off against Spidey) coming after you, OR the villain Hush. Now, I know most people will immediately say Frank Castle is worse, and to be honest Frank can introduce you to new levels of pain. BUT, CONSIDER the fact that Hush is so cerebral that he will probably (when it is all over) make you murder YOUR own family via one of his stratagems, and then kill yourself in remorse. The physical pain may not match Frank Castle's levels, but you will be wishing it was Frank.

I could go on and on .....while Spidey's villains are, on average (and removing certain characters that would instantly give Bruce a MAJOR villain amp), 'more powerful,' there is a certain innate 'lethality' in the Bat-villains that lacks in Spidey villains.

Which may be partly due to writing ....for instance Electro would be a major villain in the DCU, but he jobs more than Rhino (it is just that most people pick on Rhino, but in terms of jobbing Electro is a class-A villain who is made to look like a Class-C joke of a perp).

Anyways, in terms of power Spidey villains win (if you do not include folks like Bat-mite), but I know I'd rather have the Rhino charging at my front door in a blaring murderous rage, than have a smiling gleeful Joker holding a passport photograph of myself 3,000 miles away........

All very sound and logical. Can't really argue with that. smile

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At least with the Joker you have a chance at escaping or even beating him ... If Venom wants you dead you're f**ked.

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Anyone who has pretty much basic knowledge of the Batman universe would know that most of his villains aren't all that powerfull when it comes to one on one combat compared to Venom and such. In most cases, they are psihological villains who rely more on thier brains than brawns.

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batman villans are made to be frightnening wheras spideys are made for big heroic fights with lots of explosions.take electro hes incrediably powerful but he doesnt scare me i know spidey is going to come by and defeat him whereas when the joker has just murderd your family your families freinds and everyone whos ever been to their house for dinner i begin to wish that maxwell dillion would come by and just overload my brain.instead of being beaten to death with a crowbar in a warehouse decorated like willy wonkas factory by an acid scarred maniac.

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I agree that the Joker is scarier, but not MUCH scarier. I mean, if the Joker dislikes you he'd probably go to you house and kill you and your family in some bizarre, sadistic way. But OTOH if you rub Max Dillon the wrong way he could blow up the entire neighborhood, and that's not cool either.

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Jesus Christ... Poison Ivy anyone?

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Jesus Christ... Poison Ivy anyone?

Would the Spider-slayers be affected by her powers? Being robots and stuff? big grin

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Would the Spider-slayers be affected by her powers? Being robots and stuff?

And symbiotes are asexual (she only affects males ... right?)

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And symbiotes are asexual (she only affects males ... right?)

False.

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What do I know, I don't read Batman comics.

What can she do then?

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And symbiotes are asexual (she only affects males ... right?)

No but they are alien, and she needed kryptonite for her pheromones to affect Superman. Who can say what kind of effect she'd have on Venom?

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What do I know, I don't read Batman comics.

What can she do then?

She's an elemental of the green, and is damn-near (if not, completely) immortal on Earth.

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No but they are alien, and she needed kryptonite for her pheromones to affect Superman. Who can say what kind of effect she'd have on Venom?

Because mind control is her only option?

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She's an elemental of the green, and is damn-near (if not, completely) immortal on Earth.

Because mind control is her only option?

I guess she could try feeding him to a plant or attacking him with toxins... don't imagine either will be very effective though. evil face

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I guess she could try feeding him to a plant or attacking him with toxins... don't imagine either will be very effective though.

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Because mind control is her only option?

No, but it's probably her best option.

Her mind control powers are pheromone-based, not telepathy-based. This means that they can affect Electro, so she only has to mind control him into changing sides and he would solo the rest of Spidey's Rogues Gallery, INCLUDING the Spider-slayers.

Knowing Max Dillon, maybe she doesn't even have to mind control him cool

Jun 3rd, 2008 10:35 PM

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Strictly speaking, Batman has probably the toughest rogues gallery around. This is speaking in terms of difficulty for the hero.

But thats only because he JUST..peak Human
Spidey rogues are all well...they range up to 85 tonners (maybe 100 for Rhino, not 100%)

And technically, all of Batman rogues "prep" is made to deal with the likes of Bats himself, no where near a REAL heavy hitter.

Marvel STOMP
and with prep Marvel just stomp a little slower.

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Jun 3rd, 2008 10:49 PM