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Viewtiful Joe VS. Dante
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BloodRain
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Raindrop and no, had the same convoy with BT ages ago. He's running down, running, not falling. Kinda why his legs were moving about like that. After those we have a mach 7, 6 and a few 3's.

Only seen a few clips and have yet to come across anything fast outside of his time powers.


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Dantes speeds is hard to measure. He took around a minute to run down that tower that was likely the same height as the sears tower or possibly less. Apart from a bunch of flashy flames he took much longer than he should have. Basically just a scene to make him look good. He's a little overrated when it comes to speed imo.

Bullet timer sometimes then can't move out of the way from a drop kick from Nero or punch from beowulf.

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BloodRain
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That tower run follows the time play effect that's constant in DMC. (Like the slow motion scenes where the main is movibg at normal speeds) Probable was longer then it was meant to but friction speaks for itself.

Oh that's because of his cockiness and his ''not like it can kill me'' attitude.


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Naw because there were flying creatures following him and when he shot a bullet it moved at the same speed aswell as the rain etc. Friction can't be used as a point of reference and then brush off the speed.Then there was one scene where something falls from the top and it took way less than then the amount dante took and he didn't have any friction. Doubt any friction can build up from that distance anyways.

Basically just a cheesy scene, but can't be used to quantify Dantes speed. Too many contradictions, inconsistent with the tower height etc.

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I KNOW you're not going to use that bullshit raindrop thing either. Lmfao. That thing is so ridiculous. And wasn't it not even canon? It totally differentiated from the real story.

I saw no leg movement. A mach 7 and 6 after that though? Doubt it.

Dante is overrated when it comes to everything. I remember people saying he had a great healing factor, but all I've ever seen is him walk a few minutes after he gets impaled with absolutely no visual effect of healing at all, leaving his fans to assume he healed.


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BloodRain
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Bullshit? Theyre moving at normal speeds while the rain isnt moving at all. Its not a confusing or complex thing no expression avrg rain drop is 5m/s, theyre moving 1mm/s there, the twins are moving 5000x faster min. Literally min. Could of used a max split 10m/s drop AND its not just 5k speed its 5k times what their slashing was. So mach 15 is a nice min for that scene at it all makes sense.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showpos...;postcount=1750
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpos...;postcount=1777
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5czOZhws6s
Yeaaah... may want to watch that again.

LLLC guys cant talk about overrating ;3 Le gosh you thinking his wounds magically disappear? You can't honestly be suggesting that Dante doesn't have a high healing factor because, wow..


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Yeah, I can't see how anyone could argue the rain thing wasn't a speed feat. erm

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And wasn't it not even canon? It totally differentiated from the real story.


Nah, theres a break in the cutscene where the boss battle takes place. The rain feat presumably took place during that.


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Sit back, bound to see more of it.

The way I see it the best speed for a character goes from playing around<casual<serious. His playing around is near mach 10.. why is it a shock that a serious one is 15?


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Rain suspension, non canon, bulshit, etc etc.


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Rain suspension? erm


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While this rain "feat" is happening, there is a consistent line of rain forming a bit of a dome shape over the top of the two, while more rain falls at it's regular speed around that dome. When the two stop fighting, a wave of water crashes over them, signifying that more rain was collected and was released when the fight stopped.

Why he chooses to ignore this I will never know.


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Lol ignore? I countered that last time and you just didn't want to hear it, or did and ignored it. Seems to be a common thing /shrugs
If you were to move at that speed and span around in the rain all the rain near you would be pushed out as you're moving too fast for the rain to fill up the space you just moved. Then when everythings back to normal the rain falls as usual but now as the collection of water you pushed away.

And that's what's happening. The only other explanation is that the twins have some unknown power that they decided to used together to... hold water over their heads for lulz


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When I saw that scene I thought that them slamming thier swords together caused a shockwave to form around them.

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Lol ignore? I countered that last time and you just didn't want to hear it, or did and ignored it. Seems to be a common thing /shrugs
If you were to move at that speed and span around in the rain all the rain near you would be pushed out as you're moving too fast for the rain to fill up the space you just moved. Then when everythings back to normal the rain falls as usual but now as the collection of water you pushed away.

And that's what's happening. The only other explanation is that the twins have some unknown power that they decided to used together to... hold water over their heads for lulz


Glad you agree Dante can't move that fast.


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At 1.11 you can see them fighting at normal speeds while the rain is unmoving in the air. This requires them to be moving at hypersonic speeds. A few seconds later we see them stop and a sudden onrush of water fall with a splash.

It doesn't makes sense for the rain to be suspended because of a shockwave or anything. If that was the case the wave would cause the rain to be pushed outwards in all directions and keep moving in those directions, not just hang there unaffected by gravity and then drop. Also a shockwave with the force required to completely stop a raindrops descent would cause it to splat just as if it had hit a solid surface, not hang there in perfect serenity.


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Vidya blocked. And I've seen this thing. The rain IS moving, that's the problem. The very explanation for the wave of water contradicts that kind of speed in the first place.


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That rain feat can be believed. Dante can toy with demons made of electricity and cancel out bullets with bullets...regularly.

People don't really get how fast and skilled you have to be to shoot bullets outta the air at will when ever you feel like it. That is consistently speedy at ALL times. It's not a feat, it is a regular occurrence.

And Dante's regen is pretty high. I found that out through Ryota Niitusmura (MVC3 Producer). He explains that Dante's regen is so fast that Deadpool was shootin' the guy point blank but was healin' so fast that the bullet holes closed before another could enter. Hence, why his coat looked like swiss cheese but his body was fine.


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Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Glad you agree Dante can't move that fast.


Please learn how to read or stop using delusional reasons for it floating and get back to me.

And did anyone else hear that slo-mo sound at 1:11? stick out tongue

Edit: If someone can look at Dante standing up through Alastor and disagree to high regen then their view is worthless no expression Hey No End you got a link to that?


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Nephthys
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Vidya blocked. And I've seen this thing. The rain IS moving, that's the problem




1.17

You can actually see the individual rain drops suspended in mid-air, utterly still. If you still can't see it then you'll just have to trust me. If you want we can ask the other guys who can see it, at 1.17, the rain is completely stantionary as they move. Guys, back me up here.

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The very explanation for the wave of water contradicts that kind of speed in the first place.


How so?


About his regen:



At 2.10 you can see him rip a blade out of his chest and theres no wound or even blood left. He doesn't bleed at all after he pulls it, so theres only the explanation that he regened it insanely fast.


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BloodRain
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Guys, back me up here.

Doesnt need backing up, the clip proves it all. The rain isn't moving.

Regen;
-Once or twice in the manga
-By the sins, 3 times by Vergil, Lady shooting him and by Vergil himself in 3
-By Trish and Alastor in 1
-Shot I think and stabbed by on two occasions by Abigail in the anime
-By Nero, and Nero himself in 4
-Whats said from MVC3


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