I don't recall anything being mentioned about Wolverine's senses being impaired.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
faster but with his heightened senses and skill or hell intimate knowledge of Cyk?
More durable, but with his crazy ass healing factor?
Into the Red Zone.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
He flat out says it in the panel that Cyclops is hiding behind him.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
I still don't recall it, but I'll take your word for it.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Didn't say infinate. I said intimate. Unlike many foes that Cyclops goes rounds with Sabretooth has had the pleasure/displeasure of being on Cylcops' team, see how he works in the danger room.
I imagine that'd give him at least SOME edge that most opponents don't have over Cyclops.
He's got a durability level that can take Herc class punches without Adamantium, Muscle sinew like steel cable too hard for Warbird to apply pressure points.
I highly doubt that he'd be more effected than Wolverine who's been blasted full on by Cyclops about half a dozen times. Especially given that he stood up seconds after impact being dropped from space without adamantium.
That's what it's called it's a one shot that follows the events of what happened with Sabretooth after he broke out of the mansion and down Psylocke.
On another note, enhanced supermen had cyclops' powers and it took multiple shots from them to put Sabretooth down on top of class 90 punches and superspeed. Them being plural.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
The narrow focus beam through the superior orbital fissure. He can punch the eye out of a dime that was tossed into the air, and has pulled a hell of a stunt in murder world tagging multiple moving objects by ricocheting a beam...
I think be pinning down and keeping a portion of the brain destroyed, possibly with ricochet inside the skull to destroy more of it long enough could count as a win for cyclops.
It very well might, but it certainly didn't seem that way in Into the Red Zone.
Several times, during the first big Brood arc, during a fight in Classic X-Men, and during his stint as Death.
They had his powers. Wouldn't that be at least SOME empirical evidence here?
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
And I think Sabretooth ripping his face off would count as a win for creed.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Dude, I always read your posts no matter how long they are since you're not only eloquent but also know a lot. Seriously, stop using that example, as it reeks of hypocrisy. Whenever someone mentions a one-shot to wolverine, you mention context and how he had already had his HF taxed and whatnot, but you always use this argument in sabertooth fights although you know full well that Warbird was having trouble adjusting to her powers and had just been hit by a train. Seriously...if you're gonna tell others to not ignore context, don't ignore it yourself
i need to read it, though that was a long time ago...
cyclops did not hit logan with an onslaught stopping, forest levelling blast, not once...
not really, if they arent nearly as skilled as he is, and then there's the fact that bar amazo, in comics enemies usually suck when they have a hero's power...
When he was death he had an energy absorbing thing that just lapped up all the energy that was thrown at him. That celestial tech that Apoc has helps characters like war hulk and the like..
Having someone's powers doesn't mean that you're as skilled as that person.
I fail to see how Warbird still finding the limits of her powers correlates to her attackes on Sabretooth having no relivence to anything. Especially 25 issues into her own series. At any rate:
She flat out stated that his sinew was too durable to use a nerve pinch. She didn't say anything along the lines of "If I was fresher I would/could use a nerve pinch" or "If only I knew more about my powers I could use a nerve pinch". She stated for a fact that his muscles were like steel cables and that a nerve pinch attempt would be useless.
And all I was commenting on was that simple fact.
Furthermore onto the fight itself, which is what I gather you're having the problem with. Yes she was hit by a train, and yet Sabretooth had been in a car wreck that dismantled an armored car, he was knocked into an electric rail that fried his ass. When they got into their slugfest neither was at the top of their game, yet it's still an impressive showing of Sabretooth's stamina/HF as it simply held out longer than Warbird could keep up. When she mounted him she stated that any one of her punches could have pulverized a normal person and that it took an assload just to knock him down.
When I use that example, it's an example of his stamina in combat, the example stands.
An example of his durability, the example stands.
And finally an example of his ability to give trouble to people who far exeed him in strength. Now this is arguable and to that I agree. But it isn't as if there's loads of evidence that contradict this.
I mean on the other hand here we have Rogue, a mirror image of Warbirds powers at their peak at work. Sabretooth was powerful/skillful enough to rend her unconscious. His durability has been enough to take being punched out a high rise building the length of a park by Rogue only to get up and go after Wolverine. It's been enough to simply shrugg off having his head embedded into a brick wall and hammered by several follow ups from a very pissed off Rogue with a threat and a smile.
The Warbird example isn't necessarily contradicted by other examples.
And it certainly doesn't fail to prove what I'm saying here, that his musculature is extremely durable/strong.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
In the Classic X-Men example Wolverine says something along the lines of "their hitting me with everything they got".
In the Brood example, Cyclops had no visor his eyes were enlarged (brood size) and he had no control over the blast, he necessarily couldn't have been holding back.
Cyclops was hitting him with everything he had during the death scenario.
I wasn't making that reference vs. skill but sheer stopping power.
In terms of skill, Cyclops already failed against Sabretooth.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Again the reference wasn't to skill, but to his stopping power.
And WHAT? When/where was that EVER stated?
It wasn't.
Cyclops also blasted him while he was hounding the X-Men and it knocked him through a loop, his ability to walk through Cyks blast was due to his knowledge of Cyk, not some magical armor that was never mentioned, or referenced.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
So was everyone else, including Jean, CAble and Nate Grey. I suspect he had celestial tech that absorbed these attacks. Yes, Jubilees destroyed it by attacking his armor with her mild matter manip attack of detonating the matter it was made of. But him wading through Jean, cable and Nate's attacks makes me suspect there was something else involved such as celestial tech
Sabertooth isn't a DBZ character that can go for extended periods of time faster than the eye can see, he may be able to move in bursts, but when Cyclops's attack is literally, "I look at you and you're tagged," I doubt that such an occurrence is feasible.
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