Wow! A dimensional wandering warrior? You've sure proven it now....
But that's backed up by statements from the official guide and the XSIII Database. So it's not just his word, unlike ExDeath.
No, there are multiple universes as said in the guide. chaos can only destroy one universe hence why he won't effect U-DO. U-DO is not confined to one universe.
Where is this said?
fascist you haven't provided a single shred of evidence for anything you've said. The source material? You've provided one statement from a fallible character. That is not source material.
I'm arguing facts here, not your interpretation of fallible quotes.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
See, this is what I'm talking about. All you're doing is saying the games and characters are wrong and you're right.
Also, U-DO cannot destroy the universe. All he can do is destroy the lower domain of the one universe in Xenosaga. U-Do would be ok because it also exists in the higher domain, not because there is more than one universe. I'm afraid that cutting a pizza in half doesn't give you two pizzas.
Yes because that's how debating works fascist. We don't treat what every character says as fact.
Shame you aren't a DBZ fan or you'd have seen the debate over the validity of Vegeta's claim he could blow up Earth or Cell's claim he could destroy the solar system.
Characters make claims all the time. We don't say they're right without question, sorry.
Uh, the official guide says of chaos releasing his power " If chaos, KOS-MOS, Nephilim, Abel and the others had not focused the dissipating consciousnesses and not performed the domain shift to Lost Jerusalem, the Failsafe would have activated, spreading across the entire universe in the blink of an eye, and the Dimensional Universe would have completely vanished."
The XSIII Database confirms this under chaos' entry that his power would cause the "destruction of dimensional space"
Wilhelm says it flatly in the game that his power would cause "the univers to dissipate".
That's three separate sources saying chaos destroys the universe with his power. And yet this power does nothing to U-DO. In fact the Failsafe is designed to destroy one universe and one universe alone to spare all other lower and upper domains.
So there you go. U-DO is beyond universal. Concession please.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
Did you even play a Xenosaga game? They say very clearly that Chaos is a failsafe for the whole universe, where U-DO resides as well, because he only destroys the lower domain if it is affecting the higher domain. Its a single universe with separate domains. U-DO is universal, Ultimecia or Exdeath rape stomp him.
Sorry ace, looks like you're still wrong. Its kind of sad you think you're not only smarter than the FF games, but also the Xenosaga canon. When you learn to debate properly instead of outright lying and saying you're a better source than the games themselves, then we can continue.
..........I just provided two quotes directly from the game about chaos' power alongisde a quote saying chaos' power destroys the universe.
Not only is what you said wrong, I consider it n insult asking me if I've ever played a Xenosaga game. I've played all 3 and beaten all 3 a half-dozen times at least.
I'm not the guy who just flatly ignored two sources saying chaos destroys the universe.
Please stop being so condescending when you are being a flagrant hypocrite.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
Sorry chief, but all your quotes say is that he destroys dimensional space or dimensional "universe," a synonym for the lower domain. If you play the games you'd realize that all he does is destroy the lower domain of the universe if its threatening the higher domain. He's a failsafe because he protects the universe as a whole by destroying one part of it if that part threatens the rest. Chaos is not a universe buster, he simply takes out a portion of it. What he does is akin to amputating gangrene infected legs to save the head and torso. There's still only one universe, just divided into domains. U-DO is confined to this one universe.
Exdeath and Ultimcia, on the other hand, have conclusive proof of their ability to wipe out universes. U-DO is part of one dimension, and is a pathetic nothing to either of them.
Please, educate yourself on the character before debating them.
Pyron, all you've done is contradict both the FF and Xenosaga series.
Play the games, they say that there is but one universe divided into domains. That's stated very explicitly. Its like how this universe could contain where we reside and Heaven or some other afterlife. Still just one universe.
Here, you're so fond of using the erfect guide, here's info straight from it saying there is just one universe with two domains:
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Here's its quote about the power of Anima, which is the power of CHaos:
<<The Power of Anima>>
The power of Anima is what carries the function of the Failsafe.
Due to the rejecting consciousnesses in the imaginary domain, the Collective Unconscious disperses, and the lower domain collapses, which then spreads to the upper domain. The power of Anima is the power that "safely" eliminates only the lower domain -- the Dimensional Universe -- in order to avoid the worst-case situation where the entire universe would end up being allowed to collapse. In a manner of speaking, it is the function that completely deletes the Dimensional Universe.
I've given evidence from 5 games, two Ultimanias, and even the source material you're arguing from. Seing as how all you've done is say "nuh uh" and "i'm right the game is wrong, wahh!!!" then I'll take this post as your concession to me.
Thanks for being able to admit you were wrong, it must be hard considering you're so biased against FF you debate against it at every turn and admit your hatred for it.
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Uh-oh, what's this? From the Xenosaga iii Perfect Guide:
Eternal Recurrence restarts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang.
What? The Lower Domain has a Big Bang? The thing that makes a universe?
Um...if you want to get technical Heaven existed before the universe thus it is not part of the universe. Heaven would not be destroyed if the universe was.
Your metaphor fails.
The Lower Domain is one universe. The Upper Domain is something different entirely.
Also fascist that was the first source you've given. You've said a lot but haven't shown anything despite my repeated pleas. I asked you for a link to a Dissidia Ultimania to back up your claim that it says it's canon. You did not.
Also, once more, Ex-Death's own statement does not equal fact. You need to learn that.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
The prefect guide is right in front of your face saying that it is simply a small part of the universe, and now you're trying to argue against that? You might want to rethink your priorities, is it worth it to let your hatred for FF make you look silly?
Thanks for playing, but I'm afraid I don;t have a consolation prize for you.
Perfect Guide says the Lower Domain had a Big Bang. It is a universe.
For further in-game proof, in Episode 1 when the party boards Proto Merkabah, they see a full diagram of, GASP, the UNIVERSE. Of course there's no mention of a higher domain...it's just the universe.
The Lower Domain is a universe. You lose.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
No, champ, the lower domain is not a universe. It is simply one little area of the universe.
Look at the the picture again:
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See how it says that the universe encompasses both the upper and lower domains? That means that the lower domain is merely one part of the universe, and that it resides within a single universe. Once again, thanks for your concession.
Concession accepted fascist. Better luck next time. Don't try and argue against the guide that says the Lower Domain was created with a universe-creating explosion.
Shall I also post, again, the quote saying the Failsafe effects the universe? Shall I post the quote from the game saying the same thing (again)?
I have all the quotes on my side from the Perfect Guide and the game.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
Poor poor fascist. Can't get anything right. Here, let me help.
I said:
The Guide says:
Guide also says:
Since the universe being reset doesn't effect U-DO, he's beyond universal. Point Proven.
I said:
The Guide Says:
The Guide also says:
Since the guide already established the main Lower Domain is a universe, there are other universes.
However I was wrong about the last part. Dimensional universe is called the Lower Domain. Sorry.
No, I've been absolutely right about the games I've played and beaten numerous times. Your lack of knowledge of what Big Bang is doesn't change reality.
Lower Domain was created by a universe-creating explosion. Fact. The Lower Domain is a universe.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
Doesn't Gilgamesh prove the fact that the universes are linked, seeing as how he accidentally calls one of the characters 'Bartz' in a game after 5? Just something I remember.
I already conceded Gilgamesh proves FFV and VIII are linked. That was an oversight on my part.
So yes there are multiple universes connected in FF but fascist has yet to show me a quote confirming Ex Death or Ultimecia can destroy multiple universes.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
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