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I'm still asking myself how that storyline renders anything moot. It actually makes sense, at least to people who do know something about Star Wars and paid attention to the source material released so far (read: "Golden Age of the Sith" "Fall of the Sith Empire" + the KotoR games).
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This also goes along with what borbarad was saying about the comics and the KOTOR games.And because we don't know what Revan did after KOTOR1 the reasoning for some of the story may make sense later.
First off to my knowledge the true sith and ancient sith are one and the same. So they weren't out of contacto for 15-20,000 it was only 1000-1300 when they came back for the war thats going on in TOR.
Ragnos didn't ever plan on attacking the republic so I don't think it's too hard to belive that the sith weren't actively trying to build up a huge army to take back the republic. Especially since The sith Emperor in TOR was a sith who survived the Great Hyperspace War(which ended in 5000 BBY) and maybe escaped with a few thousand of his men.
So for him to rebuild a sith empire to take on the republic (which from what he knows is big venture and not something which can be conquered easily hence Marka Ragnos's stance on not wanting to fight the republic)would take him about 1000 years if not longer(which also coincides with the timeline) because he isn't an idiot and would realize that within the 1000 years he has been building up the sith from nothing the republic would be growing as well. Also the blood would get watered down so the presence of full on sith species would go down alot after that 1000yrs especially because not everyone who escaped with the Sith Lord after the war would be the sith species.
And the story of Revan as I understand it was during the mandalorian wars he discovered the true sith(which is the same as the ancient sith) and thats why he turned bad he though it takes a sith to kill a sith and he believed only through him could the republic stay alive and thats why he kept key planets unscathed by the jedi civil war so they could be used against the true siths assualts when they came.
Then the events of KOTOR1 happen and cannon LS, Male, ending happens. During KOTOR2 you discover Revan left to fight the true sith to keep them from attacking the Republic and I believe you know the rets about carth, bastilla, and canderous.
So I think that whatever Revan did could have stalled the siths invasion for 300 years OR maybe the sith wanted to see how much Revan war would and the war following would weaken the republic before launching an attack.
why the waited 300years No one knows as of right now but Im sure they will tell us why so long either before the game comes out or its party of the games storyline and we won't know until we play it
What Revan did is at this point, irrelevant to my posts.
No, the true sith and the ancient sith are NOT one of the same. The True sith left known space sometime after Adas died and a long time before the 100 year darkness.
This is what I take issue with. There's no evidence based on any canon material, that the ancient sith knew the whereabouts of the true sith. And again, they are NOT one in the same.
You're still operating under the assumption that ancient sith=true sith
No, what Revan discovered is that Korriban and malachor V were at one point, near the outer boundary of the true sith empire. Not the ancient sith empire.
300 makes no sense, the number as it was told by the original storyline of the new game, was around 1500 years.
"You thought that the corrupted remnants of the Republic, the machines spawned by technology that Revan led into battle were the Sith? You are wrong. The Sith is a belief. And its empire, the true Sith Empire, rules elsewhere. And Revan knew the true war is not against the Republic. It waits for us, beyond the Outer Rim. And he has gone to fight it, in his own way." -Kreia
"It has been here for thousands of years. It is a place where Sith teachings run strong… It is the threshold of the borders of an ancient empire. Kreia says that it was a place of reflection for the ancient Sith… a gateway to their lands. It drew Lord Revan… and it calls to her as well. She said that the teachings here will lead one to the Sith… the true Sith… and all their shadowed worlds. This place led Revan to the graveyards of Korriban… and beyond." -Darth Sion
All my ranting is irrelevant though if they recon KOTOR 2 with the idea that the True Sith and the Ancient Sith are one of the same. If the True Sith are just the exiled Ancient Sith, then that's fine, but it doesn't solve the other problems i posted.
"Later, in 3,951 BBY, Kreia informed the Jedi Exile that the Sith Empire under Revan was not the true Sith Empire and that that this mysterious order had been in existence for tens of thousands of years. She also revealed that they were silently waiting in the Unknown Regions during the time of the Jedi Civil War. According to Kreia, the "true Sith" had existed for millennia prior to the rise of the Revan's Sith Empire. She also stated that both Malachor V and the graveyard planet, Korriban, had once been planets at the edges of that mysterious Empire, and that while these "true Sith" had forgotten those ancient worlds of the dark side, they would remember. "
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Last edited by Dr McBeefington on Jun 15th, 2009 at 09:24 PM
The true sith were the original jedi that turned, they fought a war, lost and were forced to flee to a planet that belonged to the sith race. They took them over, mixed with and indoctrinated the population so much that they became inseperable from this race, even taking their name as their own. This happened till the time of Ragnos etc etc.
This is one possibility.
The other is that the 'sith race' of Ragnos' time were nothing like the ideals of the actual sith (they actually show compassion and loyalty lol), but that these ideals lived on within or apart from this race, surviving until Revan was able to find them. This ones a bit of a wild shot though and I'm too tired to think it through clearly.
I'm reading about the lost tribe of the sith and apparently during the hyperspace war, they employed human force sensitives. Kinda straight since the sith didn't make contact with the republic since they were exiled, but whatever.
The ancient sith and True sith are one and the same thing Adas was a sith (species) who unified the sith and they never left after he died. at all. Actually it just says that they were in constant civil war until the dark jedi from the 100yr darkness came and enslaved them.
So tell me when did the True sith leave the known galaxy? and how are the true sith and ancient sith not the same?
The information on wikipedia, Kreia, and NEC all claimed that the True Sith were in existence for "tens of thousands of years", and weren't the ancient sith. Unless the new game is retconning all of this.
Jun 15th, 2009 02:55 PM
