A sword tempered in magic can cut Superman. WW did so. If it were a regular sword it couldn't just make him bleed that easily. Mordru also commented on this as a weakness as recently as legion of three worlds.
You'd need very powerful magic to hurt this Superman, but the odinforce is more than capable of doing so.
You didnt get my post. Magic sword > Regular sword. Two different properties.
Some people are more resistant to magic than others. That same magic knife would be able to cut juggernaut, hulk, almost any top tier that we can think of because of the knife properties.
Hell, magic has also harmed galactus, magic has also harmed thor (turning him into a frog), odin, etc....
Magic, is magic, its in its on league but a magical attack (energy source), I could see superman resisting this more than a bladed, magical attack.
To me he has some resistance to it. It just depends on the type of attack.
If you want to ignore multiple sources confirming Superman is weak against magic then by all means do so.
I never said magic meant an auto win against Superman I referred to it as a weakness because that's what it is. A magical sword is still more effective against Superman than against the Hulk, Thor, etc.
Again it will have an impact on him, he will feel it BUT if its a weakness for him then its a weakness for almost everyone in MU and DC.
I think DC call it a weakness because almost any other attack that is used against Superman is basically brushed off. So when an attack that is used against him puts him in pain or shows a sign of pain, its classified as a weakness.
If magic was truly a weakness of Superman, he would have been dead a long time ago due to all the magic wielders he has fought.
Kryptonite is a weakness of Superman, when he's hit by it, he drops, he's helpless, cant move (sometimes).
Red sunlight is a weakness of Superman because again, he drops, powers deplet, etc.. he's helpless.
When magic hits him, he's still fighting, still maintain his full strength, heat, vision, etc... it just bruise him but if we use that as an example (him getting injured) then super human strength should also be a weakness.
Which has been ignored on several occasions, just like Manhunter's resistance to fire, Reed's understanding of magic and countless other incidents. Regardless, having a resistance to magic wouldn't make any difference against King Thor. Desak, who thanks to Tarene's empowerment, clad in the destroyer armour, was taken down by King Thor. Being resistant isn't enough. Surtur is nothing but magic, and he went down.
I honestly think people are selling Sundipped Supes short here. He was a beast in OWAW and Thor WOULD decided to get physical. Thus I see Supes taking some wins if Thor fights stupid. Assuming he doesn't and realizes he's up against a beast, his versatility and power should give him the majority.
Last edited by KuRuPT Thanosi on Nov 9th, 2009 at 09:54 PM
That he has a weakness to magic. That's exactly what I stated yet it doesn't sink into you. Dc writers and what not call it a weakness because it is one of his weaknesses. They don't just say magical weakness and constantly state this for their health do they?
Find me another character with as many instances of this being referred to as a weakness. Prime seems to laugh off magical blows, but Superman cannot.
You still aren't getting it. I never said he CAN'T OVERCOME magical users I only stated it's still a weakness. The hero lives to fight another day always unless they decide to kill a hero off, but if that hero is popular enough they will always come back because it's a business first and foremost.
Superman brings in the revenue as does, spiderman, hulk, Thor, wolverine, etc. so even if they go up against the worst odds they will make it out alive or come back to life in some manner.
This is a forum battle where you can kill your opponent.
You seem to be confusing weakness to depowering. Magic hurts him more so, but it doesn't make him powerless or drop to his knees immediately. That's why I said he can overcome it, but he's still at a disadvantage as it effects him more.
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Magic can still affect magic. Your post just addresses that. The fact of the matter is a magically amped punch hurts Superman more than just a punch from someone with super strength. That's always been my point.
I got your point. So basically with your point you admit that thor, juggernaut, galactus, odin, and hulk along with a thousand others also share that magic weakness.
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