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How "one" character, not Slayer, it sounds to me like Slayer has no feats and the assumption he is better is because of some animations and gameplay mechanics. Not actual feats.


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Or because in canon the characters cannot hurt him, and he is faster? I see no mention of gameplay mechanics.


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He is faster based on what? if theres no feat, theres no feat. The only indication they cannot hurt him in a normal match is he doesnt knockout like the rest. I would like to see his "canon" feats otherwise he is useless.


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How "one" character, not Slayer, it sounds to me like Slayer has no feats and the assumption he is better is because of some animations and gameplay mechanics. Not actual feats.


I'm not saying whether or not Slayer has feats, I was using an example to show that NemeBro wasn't just spouting game mechanics by taking canon events from the characters. That's it.


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He was using gameplay mechanics when he mensioned physical stats and compared them to the other characters. Physical stats if he was refering to the numerical figuires for each characters abilities are not a good gauge for powers. He was bringing up canon for those characters, not for slayer.


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Physical stats aren't always tied to gameplay, and even if he's not giving straight feats for Slayer, if it is canon that Slayer is above the other characters, then it gives a foundation to base him on. Not unlike, say, taking Raziel's physical stats and comparing them to Kain's.


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Okay...but then he goes on to mention how one character places 40 tons of pressure when holding a pencil lightly to paper while wearing strength limiters. I don't think that's easily translatable to gameplay other than "he hits really hard."


That's Potemkin and he is undoubtedly the strongest character in the game. He is the Zangief of GG. "The Big Man". Slayer is not stronger than Potemkin. He could kick his ass cuz he's very skilled and a true pro in combat. But in the strenght department, Potemkin is tops.

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Slayer is above everyone in the game, but not above everyone in every way. He can just kick everyone's ass cuz he's got "skillz".


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Still can't hurt Slayer to my knowledge.


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Still can't hurt Slayer to my knowledge.


No..he prolly couldn't. But Slayer would lose in arm wrestlin' match.


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I wouldn't consider his Galaxy punch anywhere near canon, it's just a fun insta kill.


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Physical stats aren't always tied to gameplay, and even if he's not giving straight feats for Slayer, if it is canon that Slayer is above the other characters, then it gives a foundation to base him on. Not unlike, say, taking Raziel's physical stats and comparing them to Kain's.


But Kain actually has real feats that we can see of him overpowering Raziel. Theres no such feat shown at least so far that Slayer has overpowered these characters.

But anyway based on feats, he loses his soul, his blood, etc.

He cant necesserily move at lightning speeds or at any high level of speed.


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2. No, youve simply stated he can fight with other lightning timers, does not mean he is as fask as them. Kratos can fight with Hermes, but hes not as fast.

3. A lot better than you dear boy.

4. In gameplay or a canon storyline event? show...

6. A guy can escape the aim of another characters lightning attack so therefore another character has lightning reflexes? wut lol, your going to have to show the event, it sounds pretty sketchy.




So I am right, your basing him being faster, stronger etc based on some gameplay statistics? roll eyes (sarcastic)
1. I do not know why, but I forgot to answer this before. No, not merely based on a background image, we see what is meant to be his opponent fly over the galaxy. Even if he only sent him into space however, that would make him far far far far far far far far far stronger than Kain.

2. He can fight with them casually. He does not exert any effort in keeping up with them, he can casually fight guys like Chipp Zanuff who, according to Venom I believe it was, can quickly travel entire countries and continents in a short time.

3. You have proven to nearly everyone here that your grasp of the English language is pitifully weak. Mine is immaculate you silly Brit.

4. "You are truly a powerful warrior... Hey, why are you walking away laughing... Did I really win?"

Said by Ky Kiske (Something to that effect, cannot recall exactly what was said) when Ky "beats" him, Slayer walks away laughing. It should be noted Ky is one of the strongest characters in the series. Slayer's "losses" are those that he allowed to happen, he pretends to lose against all of the characters, and has never been harmed in combat. And yes, despite your foolish faggotry that all gameplay is negligible (That would take away most of Kain's abilities by the way), when Slayer is "defeated," he merely lies on the ground with his head up looking slightly amused. Gameplay does not make it default noncanon, though an impaired individual such as yourself would not know this.

6. Aim. Cute. No, if you really want I could put up a video of the canceled Guilty Gear anime (If you were to see it, you would know why it was canceled...) showing Sol Badguy reacting to Ky's Ride the Lightning after he uses it, to prove at the very least that Sol can react to lightning. But I'm nawt gonna do that, lazy, and because **** you.

7. Point out where I said "gameplay physical statistics" please, at least try not to assume bullshit like that when I never said it.

His physical statistics allow him to absolutely toy with the entire cast of GG.

A cast of characters who are lightning speed or even faster, with a character who can apply 40 tons of pressure to a pencil while lightly sketching with strength limiters, with a city buster who is only a mid-tier, with time ****ers and reality warpers like I-No, Faust, and Raven, Slayer is above them all.

Using his physical power. no expression

Do not get me wrong.

Slayer does indeed lack feats, because he has yet to seriously enter a fight, as in ever, but he is so far above the entire cast that by using sheer physical abilities he is still above them, and he does so lazily. Implied power is still power, and based only on implied power, Slayer would annihilate Kain.


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That's Potemkin and he is undoubtedly the strongest character in the game. He is the Zangief of GG. "The Big Man". Slayer is not stronger than Potemkin. He could kick his ass cuz he's very skilled and a true pro in combat. But in the strenght department, Potemkin is tops.

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Slayer is above everyone in the game, but not above everyone in every way. He can just kick everyone's ass cuz he's got "skillz".
First of all, physically Zangief is not the strongest in SF. Gouki is, and allowing some assumptions I guess Gouken and Oro.

Second of all, Slayer is, like he is to all the characters, above Potemkin at an impossible level.

"Skillz?"

Slayer has the most obviously lazy fighting style in the entire game. no expression

He throws punches without looking at you, kicks while sitting down on his cape/chair, he blocks attacks with a single hand and with smoke from his pipe dood.

Like I said, implied power is still power.


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1. I do not know why, but I forgot to answer this before. No, not merely based on a background image, we see what is meant to be his opponent fly over the galaxy. Even if he only sent him into space however, that would make him far far far far far far far far far stronger than Kain.

2. He can fight with them casually. He does not exert any effort in keeping up with them, he can casually fight guys like Chipp Zanuff who, according to Venom I believe it was, can quickly travel entire countries and continents in a short time.

3. You have proven to nearly everyone here that your grasp of the English language is pitifully weak. Mine is immaculate you silly Brit.

4. "You are truly a powerful warrior... Hey, why are you walking away laughing... Did I really win?"

Said by Ky Kiske (Something to that effect, cannot recall exactly what was said) when Ky "beats" him, Slayer walks away laughing. It should be noted Ky is one of the strongest characters in the series. Slayer's "losses" are those that he allowed to happen, he pretends to lose against all of the characters, and has never been harmed in combat. And yes, despite your foolish faggotry that all gameplay is negligible (That would take away most of Kain's abilities by the way), when Slayer is "defeated," he merely lies on the ground with his head up looking slightly amused. Gameplay does not make it default noncanon, though an impaired individual such as yourself would not know this.

6. Aim. Cute. No, if you really want I could put up a video of the canceled Guilty Gear anime (If you were to see it, you would know why it was canceled...) showing Sol Badguy reacting to Ky's Ride the Lightning after he uses it, to prove at the very least that Sol can react to lightning. But I'm nawt gonna do that, lazy, and because **** you.

7. Point out where I said "gameplay physical statistics" please, at least try not to assume bullshit like that when I never said it.

His physical statistics allow him to absolutely toy with the entire cast of GG.

A cast of characters who are lightning speed or even faster, with a character who can apply 40 tons of pressure to a pencil while lightly sketching with strength limiters, with a city buster who is only a mid-tier, with time ****ers and reality warpers like I-No, Faust, and Raven, Slayer is above them all.

Using his physical power. no expression

Do not get me wrong.

Slayer does indeed lack feats, because he has yet to seriously enter a fight, as in ever, but he is so far above the entire cast that by using sheer physical abilities he is still above them, and he does so lazily. Implied power is still power, and based only on implied power, Slayer would annihilate Kain.



1. Its just gameplay, hes never actually punted anyone through a galaxy in canon by the sounds of it, if he has at all. Ive seen the vid in the other thread in "strongest vampire", it just looks like background image.

2. based on what canon showing? and back to the Kratos example, you dont have to be faster than someone to beat them, your assuming.

3. No I have proven to everyone here that I am not interested in grammar on a forum you silly American.

4. Wow, what concrete evidence of how powerful he is, how he can resist skyscraper busting and dodge lightning after its come at him.

6. Because you have no point and any feat involving Slayer could simply be based on reacting to aim or something else rather than the actual attack, most feats are yet you call everything a reaction to the power itself, your overhyping it.

7. Your just listing the same things youve said already, youve not even listed a good example of him actually doing something let alone a feat.


No based on your poor interpretation and fan wank he is faster and stronger than Kain, nothing more. Kain still time screws and soul rapes him. Or simply devours his blood and then beats him to death with his own powers for lulz.


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Kain still time screws and soul rapes him. Or simply devours his blood and then beats him to death with his own powers for lulz.
Kain would be dead before he could think to do any of this, based on NemeBro's "fan wank", as you put it.


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First of all, physically Zangief is not the strongest in SF. Gouki is, and allowing some assumptions I guess Gouken and Oro.

Akuma aint stronger than The Gief, he can punch harder, he's not stronger. Oro and Hugo may be the only characters around The Gief's level.

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Second of all, Slayer is, like he is to all the characters, above Potemkin at an impossible level.


You have to prove Slayer is physically stronger than Potemkin.

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"Skillz?"


Slayer fights better than anyone in the game.

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Slayer has the most obviously lazy fighting style in the entire game. no expression
He's not serious but that doesn't mean he's stronger in a physical sense.

Gen holds back in the entire SF series against everyone, does that mean he's stronger than Hugo? No. He's just not tryin' to kill you.

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He throws punches without looking at you, kicks while sitting down on his cape/chair, he blocks attacks with a single hand and with smoke from his pipe dood.


How does that make him 'stronger' than Potemkin? He could easily kick Po's ass, but you don't have to be physically stronger to do that.

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Like I said, implied power is still power.


Implied power gets you no where in a VS thread. I learned that a long time ago wit Morrigan.


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Kain would be dead before he could think to do any of this, based on NemeBro's "fan wank", as you put it.



No, based on Nemebros assumptions Kain would have reacted and moved in 0.2, as Slayer takes 0.5 to think about using his lightning speed and percieve Kain.

But anyway, Slayer it has been deduced is featless. It would take a hellava lot of assumptions based on a lack of info on the character to give him what he needs to be a worthy opponent for Kain.


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I lol'd. A lightning timer doesn't percieve until 0.5?


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If he dodged lightning from behind him and he never knew the opponent was there until the lightning was fired then he would "likely" be quicker than 0.5, although technically you would have a lot of senses to draw on other than perception to dodge something. The reaction to touching something hot is like 0.15, the reaction to sound, movement etc is about 0.3. You would not have to make a concious decision to avoid something, on the other hand he woud have to make one to attack Kain. So he could essentially dodge Kains physical blows.

To be able to think quicker than Kain hes going to have to react to someone teleporting in front of him or fireing behind him and instantly launching their power of lightning, which has to be as quick as real world lightning ofc, not a fantasy make which could be the case here as it is for some of Zeus' powers in GoW.


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