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Ridley_Prime
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Originally posted by BloodRain
Lugia can control the weather not just cast rain dance/sunny day.

Altering the weather is nothing special when plenty of Pokemon such as Groudon, Kyogre, etc. can also do it.

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Reincarnate the beasts to stronger forms, and giving life < destruction in a fight.

Because blowing apart houses is something beyond what Ho-oh and the three beasts can do, mirite?

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Waterfall is physical and Ho-OH's defense is 90... Ancient Power can also be used.

Ah, I forgot Waterfall was physical now. Still, nothing an Impish nature Ho-oh or somethin' can't Recover from.

And Ancient Power is no longer physical, it's special. Ho-oh's special defense is 154. AP's base power is only 60.

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Well won't Aeroblast and Hydro Pump still give Ho-oh hell? However I really do think that Sacred fire will still mess up Lugia pretty badly despite its stats.

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Never mind.

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Altering the weather is nothing special when plenty of Pokemon such as Groudon, Kyogre, etc. can also do it.

Because blowing apart houses is something beyond what Ho-oh and the three beasts can do, mirite?

Yeah and Ho-oh isnt one of them. Its Rain dance will stay up

No but a 40 day storm with a single movement is. One flap that makes that destructive force, how is Ho-oh's reincarnation going to help in this match?

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MooCowofJustice
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Ho-Oh learns Sunny Day.

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BloodRain
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I know, im saying that those tms < natural strong powers of weather control like Lugia what Groudon have.

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I know, im saying that those tms < natural strong powers of weather control like Lugia what Groudon have.

Learns sunny day naturally. no expression

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BloodRain
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Sunny day is still < weather control.

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Sunny day is still < weather control.

Sunny Day is weather control. If you wanna get technical, MewTwo probably has the best feat of weather control in the movies and stuff.

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Well won't Aeroblast and Hydro Pump still give Ho-oh hell? However I really do think that Sacred fire will still mess up Lugia pretty badly despite its stats.

And when the opponent Pokemon gets a burn status (which Sacred Fire has a 50% chance of causing), its attacks become not as strong, making it even easier for Ho-oh to survive.

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Yeah and Ho-oh isnt one of them.

Yes he is... Like Moo said, Ho-oh learns Sunny Day, and naturally, not just through TMs.

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Sunny Day is weather control. If you wanna get technical, MewTwo probably has the best feat of weather control in the movies and stuff.

That he does.

And Lugia's no Kyogre. Its Rain Dance effect will still wear off in battle just like Ho-oh's Sunny Day does.

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BloodRain
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All im saying is that I don't see a 40 say storm powered Rain dance will be equal to a normal Sunny day. And a Hydro pump can stop any Sacred fire before its near Lugia.

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All im saying is that I don't see a 40 say storm powered Rain dance will be equal to a normal Sunny day.

Scream's point still stands regardless, and there's nothing that says Lugia's 40-day storm can't be cancelled out by another Pokemon's weather control powers.

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And a Hydro pump can stop any Sacred fire before its near Lugia.

Hydro Pump's lower accuracy says otherwise, and SF is no ordinary attack. Highly unlikely that a mystical sacred flame which instantly destroyed a tower and created 3 legendary beasts would be stopped by just an ordinary water attack that has no additional properties.

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MooCowofJustice
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Ho-Oh also always carries Sacred Ash, so he gets a free revival.

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Apr 11th, 2010 09:06 PM

BloodRain
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By damage Hydro pump would be more then enough to stop it.

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Apr 11th, 2010 09:38 PM

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Ho-Oh can still win if Sacred Fire burns Lugia.

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By damage Hydro pump would be more then enough to stop it.

Normally, perhaps, but both of Ho-oh's attack stats are way higher than Lugia's.

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BloodRain
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100 damage 130 atk 1.5 STAB
120 damage 90 spatk x2 for Water>Fire move

The attack will stop Sacred flame and damage it in the precess.

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MooCowofJustice
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Lugia does not get STAB from Hydro Pump. He's Psychic/Flying I believe.

However, Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire is now a Physical Attack. And I believe his Attack stat is 134.

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Apr 12th, 2010 01:51 AM

BloodRain
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Top on was Sacred fire, bottom was Hydro pump.

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Apr 12th, 2010 01:52 AM

MooCowofJustice
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Ho-Oh still comes out on top. Stats have a much greater effect on power than the moves power.

150 power off 130 Attack vs 120 power off 90 special attack. X2 only puts the power at 240.

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