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Well I got it from Marvel comics, because that's what I was referring to.
That aside, my point exactly.
The PM is written in fantastical imagination ("infinite story") yip yap,
while the Morrison avatar like TOAA knew they weren't "infinite" " or "omnipotent"
or any other ridiculous imagined notion of infinity.
Instead just simple human beings taking the form of illustrations within the comics they create
in order to to share the same canvas with their artwork.
TOAA even said, he didn't know what was next until it was thought up by the writer,
and Morrison in his conversation with a drawing said something akin to: I'm talking to myself.
I think the point of the PM was that he was bigger than any writer or reader could ever be. The Presence himself admitted that outside forces (in this case Neil Gaiman's pen) shaped him and Morrison's author avatar as you said was aware of his finite nature. Morrison intended the PM to represent more than that, it represents ALL possible stories by all possible writers. Unlike the Presence who was shaped by external forces the Primal Monitor was a "self-assembling hyper-story".
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Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
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Replace every use of the word "universe", with "multiverse" and it'd be more correct. You might also want to note that the original Monitor created by the PM (Rox Ogama), was split up upon entering the fictional story-world of DC. The 'persona' that separated from the original probe became the 'good' Monitor we saw during COIE -- then, out of necessity, Anti-Monitor was born to balance things out. After this 'defusion', what was left of Rox Ogama (the original Monitor) returned to the void and began feeding off the Bleed, and eventually became the story-eating Mandrakk that surfaced during Final Crisis.
In summary: a simple probe spat out by the PM, essentially became 3 different multiversal powers (the 'good' Monitor from COIE, Anti-Monitor, and Mandrakk.) Quite something.
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I'm liking you OV, but don't ever repeat this in a serious discussion again.
Because it implies that you're either joking or losing your mind.
Cool, and that may be, but in actuality the PM was/is and will always be
nothing more than ink on paper who thinks/acts and is, because of a writer,
a writer who will continue to write so long as readers buy his
To suggest that a freakin drawing in a comic is somehow (in any fashion whatsoever)
dominant over the writer who creates him and the artist that brings him to life on paper,
is in all seriousness without disrespect, utter nonsense that borders on insanity.
btw. Shooter also placed Beyonder above himself,
so this ridiculous attempt by writers making the drawing more than it could ever be
is nothing new.
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I think we have very different approaches to what fiction is. I don't think I'll be able to sway you and I know you'll never sway me so I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
My bad. Dax Novu was the original Monitor/probe (who later became Mandrakk.) Rox Ogama was of the current race of Monitors, and ultimately transformed into the second incarnation of Mandrakk.
That's exactly what PM is. A larger than life representation of all the stories that are, were, and all the stories that could be in the DC universe.
The metaphorical representation of the canvas on which all artists in all mediums translate ideas onto, under DC's umbrella. This is why FC absolutely kicks ass as a cosmic event.
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