not sure on the issue but the story of the forgotten lantern and the pact made by the guardians and Darksied of non interference showed that apokolypse was on the fridges of known space in a dead sector which was reached by the monitors and then later by an army of guardians when they declared war on DS.
they all flew there and DS world was showed on a map of the universe.
they reached DS world by simply expanding their sector control by monitors simply flying out and exploring space and landing on inhabited planets, they came upon.
There are lots of cases where the Fourth World is accessible the old fashioned way, but often times upon arrival the mainstream DC characters find that they appear like mites at best and microbes at worst when compared to the New Gods.
The Raker event is an outlier.
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Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
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I think you'll find you're wrong there .... Grant Morison has mafe numerous references to the New Gods being from from a higher Dimension of Reality; both in Final Crisis, Interviews and in recent issues of Batman.
When it comes to decding what is cannon/non cannon, I'm sure you will agree that the interpretation of the most recent, and arguably biggest writer of a New God storyline, would have some authority?
So yes Superman may have been able to fly there by normal means in some previous issue, but I thinks its safe to say this has been re-ocnned. As some one mentioned previously, the entire Final Crisis storyline pre-supposes it.
Seeing as the Miracle Machine, that controlled the entire emotional spectrum, and quote "made the G.L. ring look like Slide show projector", was a a cargo cult mother box, I seriously doubt it.
I thought they were primarily DS avatars not Desaad impersonations?
But the morphing I was talking about took place in DC villains IIRC, where DS had left Apokolips and Desaad (on panel) morphs his body to resemble DS to stop a riot from some Hunger Dogs.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
I don't think the Superman issue was recent, if it exists at all . In a relatively recent story Supergirl went to Apokolips without a Boomtube and she was the size of an insect in comparison to the New Gods.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Finally I confirmed that lightray lifted half of celestial city with his physical strength. That should AT LEAST put him in the million ton lifting strength.
mmmm seeing some scans mister miracle has demostrated superhuman strength when he fighted with big barda and superman also when he had his god powers and finally MM used the equation anti life figting with orion and supermann being so strong
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