Don't really see machine gun fire and a few grenades being much of a deal breaker. Wolverine eats that sort of thing for a light snack before bed.
What? Outside of the Dr Bong incident, all the times Wolverine has had the edge were pretty much straight up fights. Even in Origins when he was preped to the gills and Wolverine was purposely trying to lose, Deadpool got punished each and every time he came in for a melee exchange.
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Notice, Wolverine doesnt use his claws right away, at the same time Deadpool doesnt use his knife or weapons because he thinks they're going at it h2h. That's when Logan pops the claws in order to get the upperhand.
Also, second fight of the story. As I said, they take turns having the advantage over one another.
Deadpool had his knifes out the entire time, he didn't use them because Wolverine didn't give him the opportunity, not because Wade "thinks they are going at it in h2h." Deadpool even stabs Wolverine in the stomach before Wolverine's claws come out. That's what the "shukk" sound effect is signifying in the panel before Wolverine takes Wade down and threatens him with his claws.
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More like Wolverine launched himself at the knife. Its not that he didnt give Wade the opportunity, we can see Deadpool purposely hit Wolverine with in the face with the handle of the knife instead of the blade. He didnt use any other weapons either.
Im not saying its supposed to ko Wolverine, just make it more even. Slow him down, give Deadpool a kind of advantage, kinda like during his second fight with Sabertooth.
The origins fight and the fight from Cable and Deadpool are the only times Wolverine has had the advantage over Deadpool. And both times there were circumstances.
Remember, in C&D Deadpool JUST had his head cut off before fighting Wolverine, it was seperated from his body for almost 10 minutes and he barely had any time to heal (literally seconds) before engaging Logan.
Origin is a whole different story, ignore the fact that its written by Way who at that point didnt know jack about Deadpool, there were some circumstances too.
First of all, he was either talking to himself or hallucinating most of the fight. Second, you say "prep" as if it gave Deadpool an unfair advantage, while all it really did was handicap him. Most of the time instead of fighting back he was running away or taking hits while counting seconds in order to get Wolverine to fall into his stupid and useless traps. "It's all about timing" he said. He would've done way better if he just fought him. And he DID do better. The 2 times in Origin when he actually TRIED to fight back they were evenly matched, first time landed the exact same amount of hits befre DP stopped fighting in order to set another stupid trap (which again ended up badly), the second time was when they koed each other.
While there are several other fights when Deadpool has had the upper hand over Logan.
The one where Logan's HF wasnt working was the only time DP had some kind of unfair advantage. Then there was the Werewolf fight where Logan ambushed him and ended up on his knees pinned to a wall. Two more fights posted above where Deadpool gets more hits in than Logan, Logan only gains the advantage when suddenly pops his claws during a h2h fight. And the one you've mentioned vs boneclaw Wolverine. There were no stips that favored Deadpool in those fights.
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Wolverine tackled Wade, and Wade stabbed him in the stomach. Deadpool wasn't holding his arm out and Wolverine simply jumped on his knife, considering he was holding his knives in reverse in the previous panel, he would have had to purposely flip the knife around. If Wolverine got hit in the face with handle of knife in a back hand slashing motion, it's because the blade missed him and he was clipped with the handle on the fallow through. There is nothing in that fight that suggest that Deadpool was purposely trying to avoid using his blades.
Wolverine didn't "suddenly pop his claws in a h2h fight." That is an absurd stance. Deadpool had his knives out, he didn't use them because Wolverine didn't give him the opportunity to use them in the first few panels, and Wolverine still got stabbed before he finally popped his claws. And Deadpool was preped in that fight and came with a team of mercs to help him... and Deadpool still flat out said Wolverine was holding back against him in that very same story arc.
All that did was slow bone claw Sabretooth down long enough for Cable to come and save Deadpool. Are we thinking that is an option here?
And the Werewolf fight. And the one posted above. And the brief on in X-Men Origins: Deadpool where Wolverine cut of Deadpool's fingers (and no it isn't a flash back to the origins fight, Wolverine is wearing a different costume and Deadpool's one liner is different).
I'm sure ten minutes of oxygen loss was really detrimental to Deadpool. A normal human can brain can go four minutes with out oxygen before brain damage starts, that 10 minutes, oh boy, too much for Wade to handle.
He knows as much about Deadpool as he does about Wolverine, if not more.
Welcome to Deadpool comics? He is always talking to himself. His prep didn't handicap him, it save his ass more than once. Every time he came in to melee Wolverine, he got wrecked than saved by some prep plot device. He was running away the entire time because he can't compete with Logan in melee combat.
Deadpool has held is own on two occasions with prep, and one occasion when Wolverine's healing factor was disabled. Every other time Wolverine has had the clear edge.
Wolverine walked all over Deadpool in that Werewolf fight. The only reason Deadpool was able to pin him to a wall is because Wolverine was distracted by a werewolf, while Deadpool still though they were fighting each other.
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Deadpool first kicked Wolverine, then he tagged him with the handle of the knife. He could've done it with the blade, but chose to hit him with the handle. He didnt use anything of his arsenal either. He could've used the tranqs right away, but didnt because he wanted to fight.
He had them out but chose not to use them. Not at first anyway. He clearly did have the opportunity when he hit Wolverine in the face. And a team of mercs who didnt interfere. You say it like they assisted him during the fight. If he really didnt want to fight Logan why not tranq him right away? Or use guns? Or granades? And in any case, that doesnt take away from the second fight of the story where Deadpool landed all the hits.
Im not gonna try and guess what would've happened exactly, but to say that Cable saved Deadpool is a stretch. Maybe DP would've needed the help later, but when Cable showed up DP didnt need saving, in fact it was ST who could've used it at that point. And his fight with Sabertooth was just an example of how weapons could be helpful against Logan. I repeat, im not saying Deadpool is gonna shoot Wolverine FTW.
Huh? I didnt mean it was a flashback. I know they're different fights. Im just saying that "Origins" is the worst Deadpool has ever done against Logan due to Way's incompetence as well as Deadpool's own CIS that prevented him from fighting back the way he usually does. Instead he got his ass kicked while trying to make sure Logan falls for his useless traps. That's Way's writing right there.
Well, he said he was "drain bamaged" although that's kind of a given...
But if seriously, that time just wasnt enough to fully heal.
lol exactly. But at least he was writing Wolverine for some time at that point, had some kind of experience with him. One can only hope he'd at least wiki Deadpool or something...
Im sorry Srank but that's crazy. Since when he cant compete with Wolverine in melee? He did it several times in the past no problem, but then Way takes over and suddenly "oh no, how can I possibly compete with Logan in a knife fight!?" And he doesnt normally talk to himself, not really. He didnt normally have hallucinations and inner monologue never distracted him during the fights before. And he never had several voices in his head. That's Way's brilliant idea. DP never drifted away during fights in the past either.
The prep didnt help him. At all. It was the reason he performed so poorly. He didnt need saving when he fought Logan h2h. He was doing just fine, but then stopped fighting in order to tell a joke and activate a bomb. Which almost got him killed. While the h2h part whent just fine. He was running away because he had everything timed perfectly. The exploding ninja stars, the piano, the bomb in the car. All set to go off in a specific time. Said so himself. The rest was him just keeping Logan busy for the traps to work. All it did was handicap him and prevent him from putting up a decent fight. And when he finally stopped relying on the traps he managed to ko Logan.
The prep was Deadpool's worst performance against Wolverine. Period. He has had the better of Wolverine at least 2 other times without any help or prep. In fact, the were occasions when the situation favored Logan more than it did Deadpool. For example the boneclaw fight.
Wolverine cheapshotted Deadpool and kept beating on him before Wade could get it together. And even then DP managed to hit Wolverine while hanging on the edge of a building and had him fall off the roof before pinning him. Wolverine didnt even see Wereworlf until he was already pinned to the wall.
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Deadpool not using his daggers isn't an indication that he made a concious choice not to, merely that he was unable to do it. Wade did nott choose not to use them, Wolverine simply never give the opportunity. He kicked Wolverine because he was falling backwards because of an upper cut, he didn't have an option to slash at Wolverine with his knife. If he hit Wolverine with the handle of his knife it would because his back hand slash missed and the handle clipped Wolverine on the fallow through, not because "he decided to hit Wolverine with the handle." Deadpool didn't choose not to use his knives, he just didn't have the choice until Wolverine tackled him. Wolverine on the other hand did choose not to use his claws.
Why does Deadpool do any of the things he does?
Anyway, you mean the second "fight" where Deadpool kicked Wolverine in the face once and then Wolverine blocked his second kick with his forearm, where Deadpool's narrative stated that Wolverine had been holding back against him?
Sabretooth was just waiting for Deadpool to exhaust his ammunition, nothing was having much of an effect aside from slowing him down. Deadpool was just delaying the inevitable and Cable came and saved the day.
Just making sure, you know they are two different instances.
Deadpool's useless traps are the only thing that saved him from Wolverine... and Wolverine wasn't even trying to win. You say Deadpool wasn't fighting like he usually he does, but that isn't true. The difference is that unlike Deadpool and Wolverine's usually fights, this one wasn't a brief exchange by rather was an extend fight that spanned several issues. All their previous fights have been brief and Wolverine has usually had the edge in melee, this was just a natural extension of those fights showcasing what would happen to Deadpool if he tried to lock blades with Wolverine in a fight.
Don't see how it possibly couldn't have been enough time for him to heal. Wolverine has remained underwater for over and hour with his throat ripped out and he was fine. Ten minutes of oxygen loss brain damage is a pretty mild thing for guys who heal as fast as Deadpool and Wolverine.
Actually if you go back and read interviews with Way, he actually seems like he is quite knowledge of both characters, I was getting excite for Origins before it was released, he talked like he had a great grasp on the character... unfortunately he is a terribly writer. He is a much better Deadpool writer than a Wolverine one at least, but that is likely because he didn't try to do anything grandiose with the Deadpool mythos, and choose to relegate himself to slapstick
The werewolf fight, the Way fight, the Cable and DP fight. And even in the Wolverine v2 fight where Deadpool does okay, Wolverine isn't using his claws and Deadpool says that Wolverine is holding back.
Maybe we just weren't every privy to those hallucinations? Given his dialogue trees and some of the stuff he says its not a stretch to assume that has been happening the entire time.
The prep certainly helped him. Wolverine had Deadpool dead to rights no less than two separate occasions, before he was dragged away along the street car track and when Wolverine went to save the baby for the explosion. Every time the fight came into melee Wolverine had the advantage, and Deadpool had to run or get saved by a plot device. The only reason Waypool even managed to ko Wolverine is because of his prep traps weakening Wayverine's already impotent healing factor.
Waypool vs Wayverine is not Deadpool's worst showing against Wolverine, not by a long shot. The werewolf one is worse, the Cable and DP one is worse, and the Dr Bong and v2 shows are just as bad, Deadpool has never had the best of Wolverine with out prep, except the one instance where Logan was depowered.
Which fight is it that you feel favored bone claw Wolverine more? The one where Wolverine was depowered, or the one where Deadpool was ever so slightly more insane than normal?
Wolverine ambushed Deadpool. Deadpool flip kicked Wolverine. Then Wolverine laid into him with four or five unanswered blows with a pipe before Deadpool tackled him through a skylight. Deadpool only manged to pin Wolverine to the wall because of the sudden appearance of a Werewolf which distracted him. Logan was even warning Deadpool about the Werewolf as the sword impaled his shoulder.
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For the record, Deadpool has a better implied high end durability feat than Wolverine.
The evil force from the first Deadpool Corp trade claimed that the only way to successfully neutralize Deadpool as a threat was to chuck him into a star and it was flatly stated this wouldn't be fatal, it would just get rid of him for as long as it matters.
wolverine is more durable than DP; logan's metal skeleton provides structural durability which leaves him intact after suffering attacks which would blow wade to pieces.
as for the HF, immortal wolverine could regenerate from absolutely nothing but a metal skeleton via the phoenix force which would provide logan with enough energy/matter to regenerate. iirc, DP cannot do this & his best feats involves regenerating from goo, not from zero organic matter whatsoever. logan bests HF feats > DP's best HF feats.
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Deadpool's best durability/healing factor/immortality feat is that a universal threat considered the only method to sufficiently detain Deadpool so it could conqueror said universe was by chucking him into the center of a star.
But combined with his immortality curse and the fact that Wolverine has at least went into the outer corona of the sun and healed from that with minimal aid, I don't see where it is completely far fetched and uncredible.
I agree to a certain extent; however, until it actually occurs it remains relatively speculative & without the neccessary feat itself. until then, immortal logan still has demonstrated the better actual HF feat imo; it's hard to match logan's natural HF backed up by the phoenix force.
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