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iceman24567
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Yeah Mr. X is arrogant I guess he could blabber about his ability in a forum fight

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X is good, but Cass ftw

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X is good, but Cass ftw

This

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If you think Batgirl wins, stop what you are doing and go get an MRI this instant.

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If you think Batgirl wins, stop what you are doing and go get an MRI this instant.

Are you going to pay for it?

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Are you going to pay for it?

Move to Canada.

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Move to Canada.

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True but if his opponent knows of his power they can work around it not sure if its common knowledge in character not sure if he would blabber about his power like he did to Rand. Im thinking threw her body language skill she could figure out what hes doing then bash his brains in

I could actually see that happening in a comic with a character shield from the writer, but I don't see what she'd do here on the forum.

Don't you think it'd be too late when/if she figured his power out? She doesn't get the luxury Wolverine's healing factor provides.

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does she still get the luxury of villain rant stopping to explain his powers and goals buying her time to compensate and bull the win? beer

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Cass is good, but Mr. X should take the majority over most street level martial artists in hand to hand. His powers are tailor made for that type of fight.

You could say the same for Cass and she isn't your typical street. I haven't seen most metas jump tall buildings without using a rope.

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Iron Fist's drunken boxing afforded him the chance to hit Mr. X a single time, run away, and then get BFR'd. People read way too much into it. Nothing suggested he would have been able win a drawn out encounter.

Without PIS or a plot device Mr. X would take Cass 10/10

I'm in agreement (well, maybe 9/10). His ability is basically a superior version of hers.

Unless she uses her under-cover getup from Justice League Elite, wherein she had a Thanagarian Shadow Field ala Shadow Thief. Then she could beat him smile

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It happened in Outsiders. Dick and Cass fought to a stalemate and Alfred showed up in the Batmobile and broke up the fight. Their last exchange before that was years ago, Cass had the advantage but Dick was confident that he would win eventually even then.

I just checked that issue, that's not what happened.

They fought for awhile, Batgirl said "Had enough?" at one point where she had her hand on his throat, he said "Not even close," then Alfred showed up and got them to talk things out. So edge to Cassandra but Dick gave a good showing too.

There was a coin fight in the Beechen ultra-sucky Batgirl series where Dick said something to the effect that her reading isn't perfect, sooner or latter she'd make a mistake and he'd get her... but, ironically, he was missing every blow when saying this, and later when she stole a bat plane she casually brushed him aside with a kick.

The actual results seems to indicate that she's still better. Outsiders, Cass had something of an edge but he was hanging in. Beechen Batgirl, he was writing checks his skills couldn't cash and performed worse than Outsiders.

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You could say the same for Cass and she isn't your typical street. I haven't seen most metas jump tall buildings without using a rope.

She's not extraordinary in any way that will actually change the fight though. She's high street of course, but they've all done logic defying stunts that humans can't actually do.

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How is Mr X going to get around the fact that Cass' feats are superior to everything hes done?

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unless her feats translate to combat it doesn't matter.

might as well go to CV if you want to have a frivolous Feat olympics that has nothing to do with battle.

what feats does she have that puts her above ppl he has faced and stalemated or beaten?

she only has a few ambiguous feats nothing more her running and making a whooshing sound against some fodder isnt going to help her nor is her punching power superior to the guys X has faced

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Cass moves very, very fast. I think you guys are severely underestimating her abilities here.

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Cass moves very, very fast. I think you guys are severely underestimating her abilities here.

Granted but unless she can counter or adapt to his ability her speed is almost useless

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Granted but unless she can counter or adapt to his ability her speed is almost useless

She can counter his ability. That's what her father spent her entire childhood instilling in her

Feb 21st, 2011 07:05 PM

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I meant his ability

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Cass moves very, very fast. I think you guys are severely underestimating her abilities here.

Matter not if the person shes facing is as fast and has the single best bullet deflection feat among streets in any comic ever to back it up. She's not fast enough to bypass his powers, she can't win a h2h encounter.

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She can counter his ability. That's what her father spent her entire childhood instilling in her

Her father doesn't know Mr X, and there is no Street level villain in all of DC with his ability so..meh?

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Matter not if the person shes facing is as fast and has the single best bullet deflection feat among streets in any comic ever to back it up. She's not fast enough to bypass his powers, she can't win a h2h encounter.

But is he fast enough to bypass hers. Their combat precog cancels each other out, just leaving pure skill in which case Cass is the better combatant

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