I agree and good app choices. I did not think you could name any useful ones that you yourself would use.
Flash is limited on Xoom (for instance, you can browse Youtube's website and play videos, no problem, but you cannot load and play games off of newgrounds, yet. but, check this out: root the device, and you can install flash on it, now ) but it works for the 10.1 Galaxy, right out of the box.
Oh, okay. Then, yeah, we fully agree. Also, you can see honeycomb demos, on the Xoom, on youtube, now. It's pretty snappy.
The number of steps that need to be taken in order to render the same information/functions on the screen, is greater for iOS application development. This is what I meant by "fact." While the programming is supposed to be 4GL, it feels like the lengthy coding of 3GL yesteryear. (Dead serious.) Making the same exact app for Android took about 30 minutes: it took 5 days with at least 1 hour and 20 minutes of effort to do the same thing in Cocoa. This is what I mean by "fact."
And, to the rest of your posting: many people feel that the iOS environment is buggy and problematic and that Apple doesn't really care about the developers. Whereas, Google, is consistantly updating their OS to be as app-developer friendly as possible. This is why applications are "projected" to surpass iTunes apps. in less than 2 years. (Almost on target to make up the time interval between the G1's release and the original Edge iPhone Coincidence? I think not. )
I'm not sure what you're talking about : you can install any apps from the Android Market that are in the Android Market. Are you talking about exclusive (not the "ported" HD remakes) iPad apps? Those, I assume, will remain exclusive. Similar to the new "Amazon" store application being exclusive to Android.
Considering Java development has been around much longer than iOS, I'd say it's easy to see why bug fixes are easier for Android.
I'm unsure of how you came to that conclusion with never having used a comparable Honeycomb tablet, yet. Neither you nor I have handled a comparable Honeycomb tablet, nor have we handled the iPad 2. I've seen videos for Honeycomb and I've handled the iPad "1". The Xoom looked snappy and intuitive, as did the iPad 2.
I agree on the first part. I mentioned "computers" and not Tablets, though a pedant could point out that Tablets/Slates are computers, too: but we both know what I was talking about. hehe
But, I disagree about them being insanely cheap, as well.
The Wi-Fi only version of the Xoom is $599 or $539 (depending on where you buy it. There's a "leak" that shows a Sams price of $539, but most say $599) That is comparable pricing for the iPad 2 (Wi-Fi only version), which is less feature-rich (no USB, crappier cameras and resolution, no Flash future, etc.), so you're actually getting more with the Xoom Wi-Fi only version.
If you compare apples to apples, the Xoom is only $70 more and you're getting much more, in hardware, as well.
The price argument is an excellent one if we were talking about the iPad, but not the iPad 2.
As far as marketing consumer devices, yes, they are the best in the world, currently. I would like to give Jobs credit for a lot of that Corporate Culture, though: he drives a lot of that hype and "attitude" that creates the mad-consumerism.
It's different here because I'm surrounded by nothing but educated techies: at work, at school, and the family. Even my wife's sister's and my mother-in-law have Android fever, now. My sister-in-law was rubbing it in my face that she had an "active desktop" for her Samsung Galaxy. She said, "Wow, Dominic, look at this awesome active screen that I have? *shows me the desktop* Can your iPhone do this? hahahahah." Evilness, right?
Oh, I get it, alright. It's he sheeples fault for falling for the stupid hysteria that Apple tricks the market into eating like it's the best medicine to cure what ails their consumer electronics itch.
I believe your opinion, above, will change when you see my other post about comparable price points.
But, for the sake of only discussing the sentiments presented in your post, yes, I would agree: the Wii greatly outsold the PS3, in the beginning, and surveys showed the reason as being, the majority of the time, the price. That's it! So, price is a really big deal in some situations.
I'm not entirely sure. The Gartner Group predicts market saturation of "touch-interface" smartphones to be between 30-40%. That would be the "zero-sum" point, you mentioned...AKA, market saturation.
That is definitely good. That's a monumental accomplishment as it represents the first and only "true" competition for the iPad 2. Keep in mind that Xoom will have had just barely over a month for sales in Q1. Apple will have one day under 3 weeks, for Q1.
Considering that Xoom had to take on the "hype" machine that is Apple, it's astounding that the experts peg the Xoom to accomplish that much.
Ha! That's kind of wrong, as I pointed out, earlier.
But, yeah, my point, earlier, was about their laptps and Desktops: not tablets.
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Well, yes, because the PS3 was originally $600. It also didn't help that Sony's marketing strategy for the thing was completely incomprehensible and it took them years to properly market the thing. Also, while the PS3 went through many price drops, it was only after Wii and Xbox 360 sales plateaued that PS3 sales started to go up.
Also the fact that Nintendo marketed the Wii towards non-gamers and casual gamers and families with small children helped - many people who ordinarily would never have bought a console did.
Anyway, on topic, personally I find tablets to be a waste of money. My laptop that I have now cost barely more than one of those. Given a choice, though, I would not go with Apple. The very fact that they don't have USB or Flash is a big, big dealbreaker.
I do not remember if Nintendo pushed the point that their console costed less than the 360 and PS3: did they do that? If they did, it was obviously a good "strategy."
I know right? I want one for watching TV in bed or for long road trips. But, that's "null" with those rotating screen touch laptops.
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I think the Wii is a great example of what game Apple is in, too. The Wii is a totally different environment. Xbox and PS3 are competing on the same turf, working for the same type of game exclusives, touting specs, the Wii goes for a different market completely, different games altogether and even a different demographic.
The Wii went for a broader demographic, not a different one. They wanted to "hook" hardcore and non-gamers and they did just that. How many of us bought a Wii just to play Zelda TWP? *slowly raises hand*
As far as I can recall, none of them really placed any emphasis on the price of the console unless a price drop occurred. Instead Nintendo's advertising revolved heavily around showing families playing together and stuff like that, while Sony's consisted of...exploding baby dolls in an empty room with a PS3. Nintendo set out to snag not only their regular audience but a new one that had never before been catered to by developers, whereas Sony expected to just ride on the success of the PS2.
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Eh, I feel like they somewhat moved away from "hardcore" gamers, sure they took Nintendo fans with them, but generally they are not trying to actively please traditional gamers (and like Apple I can't blame them for that)
Also I feel like I have to clarify, I am not a rabid Apple fanboy, on the contrary, I am very unhappy with many things they do, generally I am a fan of Android, but I can't help appreciating what Apple has done for consumers and technology in the last 10 years. I dislike some of their rhetoric and I like a certain type of people that are fans of Apple, but generally I think having Apple is a good thing, just like having Android is a good thing.
what about the iphone 5 with a rumored retinal display, a screen a half inch wider than the ip4's screen, it's faster, has higher res, higher pixels, facial recognition as an optional passcode, 4g and 3d?
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I definitely do not consider you an Apple fanboy: you were one of the ones, back in 2008, that showed me the goodness of Android.
I could be giving FotN too much credit, but that's what I thought he meant when he made his post. But, here goes:
Higher resolution != higher pixels from what I think he's trying to say.
I think he means ppi versus overall resolution. Those are both good measures for "improved image." The Xoom as like 150 ppi and the iPad 2 130 ppi, meaning, the density is greater to the eyes for the Xoom. Additionally, the Xoom has a higher overall resolution.
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PPI is a function of Higher Resolution and Screen Size, but I can see what he means, it just seems like it could have been combined to one, it's definitely somewhat redundant as "Retina Display" is defined as 326 PPI, but I don't mean to be hating on FOTN.
I'd like if some of his points were true, a bigger screen would be nice, 4G would be nice, and a PPI could be nice too (though the iPhone screen is already pretty sweet). I am looking forward to the iPhone 5 anyways, and I could imagine that they will introduce a cheaper category device, too...could be a good move for them. An iPhone Nano so to speak.
PPI is going to be more conducive to "retina display" which fits nicely parallel to what he was saying. Higher resolution could mean jack. 1024x800 on a 100" screen would like crap from only 2 feet away. lol!
Yeah, the iPhone 4 is SUPPOSED to be a retina display. So, there should be one for the iPhone 5.
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) but it works for the 10.1 Galaxy, right out of the box.
So, price is a really big deal in some situations.
