2 on 3, I'd still take DC, which I already said. Sinister offers literally nothing, and spouting off Apocalypse's high end feats to prove that he could take Aquaman once again offers no reason to back up Marvel winning this match.
Aquaman is the weakest member on Team 1. Posting over and over again that Apocalypse would beat him (based on nothing more than ABC logic) is pretty irrelevant when Aquaman has Maxima and Martian Manhunter at his back.
Not only is Team DC packing a lot more telepathic might, as well as collective physical strength, they're also each a hell of a lot faster than Marvel, and they each individually fight with a greater level of prowess than the X-villains.
Apocalypse wouldn't be able to touch J'onn, much less light him on fire. Marvel is solidly outclassed in this match.
Strye and Sinister would more than hold their own vs MM and Maxima while AM went down hard and fast like the piece of garbage that he is. Then it'd be 3 powerful telepaths with excellent durability vs 2 powerful telepaths with excellent durability. Except NO ONE on Team 2 has any exploitable weakness while someone on Team 1 does.
__________________
..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
I don't like him because he's overrated. He wouldn't last more than a panel against Apocalypse and he wouldn't make it passed a few panels vs Sinister or Stryfe.
I already linked to the Apoc Respect Thread showing his strength/energy/body manip/tp feats.
He absolutely would not beat Sinister. Sorry. Not physically or in a psi war.
This is just one of the ways Apocalypse would end AM, if he was serious about doing so : http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3.../apocmorph4.png
That's Prime Eternal Ikaris he's destroying. Eternals have total control over their molecular structure and that's why Ikaris didn't outright die. AM wouldn't be so fortunate.
__________________
..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
Marvel's team doesn't have '3 powerful telepaths'. They have Apocalypse, who doesn't have a single real telepathic feat, and they have Sinister - the last impressive thing he did telepathically was what? Fight Psylocke (pre-asian) on the astral plane? Meh, not really in J'onn or Maxima (or Arthur's) caliber.
Further, J'onn and Maxima are miles more powerful telepathically than Stryfe.
Also, I'd take Aquaman in a fight vs. Sinister. For what it's worth.
Apocalypse would absolutely crush either of them. The way he handled Exodus (the same Exodus that went toe to toe vs Sersi and had the upper hand till he was called away) is all one needs to know.
__________________
..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
J'onn or Maxima would both beat Exodus too. Sersi also solely fought Exodus telepathically, not using any of her many other powers, and Sersi would, in turn, destroy Apocalypse (much like J'onn or Maxima would... they all remain equally versatile and far more powerful than your average Apocalypse).
Gender: Male Location: Planning to take over the WORLD!
yo smurph--you seem quick to toss away sinister in this match, who i've always thought was a pretty tough bastard (from a few of his showings). just wondering how come? not sure apoc could use tp, but i'm pretty sure they wouldn't take him out with it. he's pretty versatile and i think would be difficult to take out physically.
sorry pr, am has said a couple times that mm is quite a bit beyond him tp-wise. one time he even says j'onn is 10x the telepath he is. that is not true, but mm is quite a bit beyond him and on land, i don't see arthur being much of a factor here. stryfe has some pretty good feats as well. underestimating? maybe, but i'm just going by his most consistent showings i think.
seems perhaps the marvel side is being slightly underestimated. i at least think it would be a close fight.
It's mostly just because I don't feel like Sinister would play a heavy factor in the way this match goes.
I don't see Arthur's telepathy, though strong, as being much of a factor here, given that he's got J'onn and Max on his team. Aquaman's also really fast and strong, enough so to be a nuisance to Apocalypse and a real problem for Stryfe.
On the flip side, I think telepathy might be all that Sinister offers offensively, and I see him as being sincerely outclassed by his opponents. Other than that, Sinister has an annoying physiology and energy blasts sometimes...
Basically, if he goes up against Arthur, I figure they'd just go back and forth until J'onn and Maxima were done with Stryfe and Apocalypse. If Sinister doesn't take a telepathic route, he seems mostly ignorable.
Gender: Male Location: Planning to take over the WORLD!
fair enough. i would say sinister's tp>arthur's and overall i'd give sinister the nod in a straight 1on1 battle against him. his couple showings against nate (x-man) really stick in my head and he's beat down x-factor and the x-men pretty easily..... i'd say he could hold his own against max or j'onn. i'd say apoc could do likewise, given some of his better showings. imo i could see apoc and sinister holding off jonn and max and i can see stryfe taking out am. it wouldn't play out that way all the time, but i could see it happening some of the time at least.
meh, don't feel too strongly about this match, but to me, it's pretty close.
Fair enough. If you give Sinister's telepathy more credit than I do (and there's an argument to be made there, for sure), then I'd call the telepathy for the most part a wash, and go on to continue to back DC because I think the edges they hold (martian vision, phasing, Max's tk, speed, etc) give them more advantages than Marvel. Apocalypse is a bit of a bastard, and would always be the longest and last man standing for Marvel, but I guess I see J'onn as a slightly more competent version of Apocalypse on average... though they both vary quite a bit. And Maxima is solidly more impressive than either of Apoc's teammates.
KMC Community Forums
Jan 31st, 2012 12:15 AM
