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The only other theme rivaling it in bad-assness was Akuma's.


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I'm wondering how GR places him in the PS? Does he physically overpower the Hulk by grabbing him by the arms while the Hulk is rendered helpless by GR's unprecedented strength? Also where does the PS come into play here? The Hulk wouldn't have been guilty of anything. I guess this comes down to a brawl then.


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He's guilty of enslaving a group of people just because he blames them for a series of crimes for which they are not guilty for. And then placing them into concentration camps. Along with other people who were just trying to protect them in the first place.

That's right, I equated WWH to Hitler.


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He's guilty of enslaving a group of people just because he blames them for a series of crimes for which they are not guilty for. And then placing them into concentration camps. Along with other people who were just trying to protect them in the first place.

That's right, I equated WWH to Hitler.



So if that were the case, why didn't the Rider enact the PS right there and then? Let's not make it out like the Hulk sodomized several 3 year olds in front of their moms. In his mind he was justified. This becomes a brawl.


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So if that were the case, why didn't the Rider enact the PS right there and then? Let's not make it out like the Hulk sodomized several 3 year olds in front of their moms. In his mind he was justified. This becomes a brawl.


In Hitler's mind, he too was justified.

As to why he didn't? PIS.


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In Hitler's mind, he too was justified.

As to why he didn't? PIS.



Like I said, this becomes a brawl since the Rider could not see anything wrong with the Hulk's justifications. Hitler was different, he self justified his evil acts, becoming a reprobate to himself, and teaching others how to become ones themselves. With that being said, this becomes a brawl.


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Like I said, this becomes a brawl since the Rider could not see anything wrong with the Hulk's justifications. Hitler was different, he self justified his evil acts, becoming a reprobate to himself, and teaching others how to become ones themselves. With that being said, this becomes a brawl.


Lol it probably does degenerate into a brawl. I'm just interested in the parallels, I guess.

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Hitler was different, he self justified his evil acts, becoming a reprobate to himself

'Never stop making them pay'. Pay for what, Hulk?

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and teaching others how to become ones themselves.

He brought his entire Warbound to Earth. Plus all the Hive younglings, to wage war on the Illuminati, and anyone else who tried to help them. Sure, they all swore a pact to be Warbound and to fight each others battles - but it was misguided. Hulk could rationalise it and justify it as much as he wanted to in his mind, doesn't mean he was correct.


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Lol it probably does degenerate into a brawl. I'm just interested in the parallels, I guess.


'Never stop making them pay'. Pay for what, Hulk?


He brought his entire Warbound to Earth. Plus all the Hive younglings, to wage war on the Illuminati, and anyone else who tried to help them. Sure, they all swore a pact to be Warbound and to fight each others battles - but it was misguided. Hulk could rationalise it and justify it as much as he wanted to in his mind, doesn't mean he was correct.



In the Hulk's mind he was cut first, after saving the world, and then told that all along a plan was spoken of, and a decision to exile him from the planet after his good deeds were going to happen, which began Planet Hulk. Then right after busting a nut in Caiera the device that sent him there, tears his new world down around his ankles. In his mind they tried to kill him, but failed and he went back for some pay back. Who was Hitler paying back? The Hulk was justified, Hitler self justified himself. Self justification is the first steps towards becoming a reprobate in my opinion.

The Hulk's stance was much different in it's approach and scope, or the minute after he beat the false Boltagon, he would have just landed on Earth and went world breaker on the entire planet, and killed everyone. This did not happen. He never killed a soul.

Do you believe that Ghost Rider would beat the Hulk in a brawl?


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In the Hulk's mind he was cut first, after saving the world, and then told that all along a plan was spoken of, and a decision to exile him from the planet after his good deeds were going to happen, which began Planet Hulk. Then right after busting a nut in Caiera the device that sent him there, tears his new world down around his ankles. In his mind they tried to kill him, but failed and he went back for some pay back. Who was Hitler paying back? The Hulk was justified, Hitler self justified himself. Self justification is the first steps towards becoming a reprobate in my opinion.

OK, am massively simplifying a complex issue here for the sake of my argument - but the Jews/Gypsies/homosexuals/mentally ill were blamed for pretty much all of Germany's ills. As far as the Nazis were concerned, they were tearing Germany down culturally and economically, and taking advantage of its weakened state after WWI. Hitler saw it as payback.

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The Hulk's stance was much different in it's approach and scope, or the minute after he beat the false Boltagon, he would have just landed on Earth and went world breaker on the entire planet, and killed everyone. This did not happen. He never killed a soul.


That's right, he wanted them to suffer loss, as he suffered loss. Si rather than a quick death, he wanted them to be tortured. Even though his loss WASN'T THEIR FAULT.

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Do you believe that Ghost Rider would beat the Hulk in a brawl?

True, I prob should go back on topic. Yes, I think he can beat him in a brawl.


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In the Hulk's mind he was cut first, after saving the world, and then told that all along a plan was spoken of, and a decision to exile him from the planet after his good deeds were going to happen, which began Planet Hulk. Then right after busting a nut in Caiera the device that sent him there, tears his new world down around his ankles. In his mind they tried to kill him, but failed and he went back for some pay back. Who was Hitler paying back? The Hulk was justified, Hitler self justified himself. Self justification is the first steps towards becoming a reprobate in my opinion.

The Hulk's stance was much different in it's approach and scope, or the minute after he beat the false Boltagon, he would have just landed on Earth and went world breaker on the entire planet, and killed everyone. This did not happen. He never killed a soul.

Do you believe that Ghost Rider would beat the Hulk in a brawl?


Blaze controlled yea, The hulk would probably need a holy weapon to beat unleashed Ghostrider


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Blaze controlled yea, The hulk would probably need a holy weapon to beat unleashed Ghostrider



So GR would overpower the Hulk? Is this what you are saying? The Hulk could just throw his bony ass into space, end of story. Has Ghost Rider ever been KO'd?


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So GR would overpower the Hulk? Is this what you are saying? The Hulk could just throw his bony ass into space, end of story. Has Ghost Rider ever been KO'd?


Lol yea he would make a cool looking rocket I suppose, if there were bfr involved. Blaze has been knocked out more than enough, most memorable (for me anyways) being when Venom overloaded his penance stare. Since Ghost Rider's power is divine, Id assume he can amp his strength levels equal to or beyond the hulks. I kinda think thats why they had Ghost Rider deciding Hulk was innocent, so the story arc wouldn't end with their battle.


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Let's not make it out like the Hulk sodomized several 3 year olds in front of their moms. In his mind he was justified. This becomes a brawl.
He didn't?

You and I have clearly been reading different comics then


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Wait! Is this Ghost Rider the Dan Ketch/Noble Kale one? In all honesty, I can provide info into what Penance Stare actually does.Here's what PS does.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...HeroesVsBH6.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...HeroesVsBH7.jpg

Although I don't really know what Hulk can do to GR or what GR can do to Hulk.Did Hulk killed anyone in the WWH story arc?I think that's the only way PS would affect Hulk.


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Wait! Is this Ghost Rider the Dan Ketch/Noble Kale one? In all honesty, I can provide info into what Penance Stare actually does.Here's what PS does.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...HeroesVsBH6.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...HeroesVsBH7.jpg

Although I don't really know what Hulk can do to GR or what GR can do to Hulk.Did Hulk killed anyone in the WWH story arc?I think that's the only way PS would affect Hulk.


It makes you relive your misdeeds, not necessarily murder. Which the Hulk is definitely guilty of (see my discussion with Stoic above).


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Ghost Rider

even Dr Strange pretty much says Rider could whoop Hulk's arse.


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Lol yea he would make a cool looking rocket I suppose, if there were bfr involved. Blaze has been knocked out more than enough, most memorable (for me anyways) being when Venom overloaded his penance stare. Since Ghost Rider's power is divine, Id assume he can amp his strength levels equal to or beyond the hulks. I kinda think thats why they had Ghost Rider deciding Hulk was innocent, so the story arc wouldn't end with their battle.

There's also the fact that Ghost rider didn't give a phuck about Hulk anyway, he never wanted to be there in the first place telling Blaze it wasn't important since he had a bigger mission.


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even Dr Strange pretty much says Rider could whoop Hulk's arse.

He said "it's possible" and Hulk did power through the unleashed Ghost Riders hellfire explosion. A slugfest would suit Hulk down to the ground.

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Unleashed GR would destroy him eventually.

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