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Originally posted by DarkOdin
Ya but the fact the Thor was amping the whole time and in the force block still amping he failed to break out where Odin had no problem, Thor is no stranger to using items simliar to that of the PG If anythign he has more experience then Surfer. ANd Yet PGTHOr was still way below Odin I can't see surfer tapping into the gem like thanos of Warlock could with only 24 hours

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Originally posted by janus77
Are the gems really that effective individually? The eternals didn't seem that impressive with the gems, Hood wasn't that uber with the power gem either.

If the PG does provide access to infinite energies, then it seems its rarely written up to that level.

As far as accessing it goes, I can't imagine anyone under Galactus doing a better job with the Power Gem than Surfer. More than characters like Thor and Thanos, Surfer's innate Cosmic Awareness will latch onto the PG and provide him with the understanding to make optimal use of it. Surfer's experience with the Power Cosmic should also inform him of the nature of the Gem too.

IF the PG is that powerful, individually, but requires skilled usage, then Surfer should stomp Odin, because I can't see any reason why Surfer would fail to properly utilise it given the nature of his powers AND the Cosmic Awareness.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Thor has limited experience with amping (belt of strength). He usually absorbs energy through Mjolnir, not through his body to make him stronger. He utilized the PG poorly during the whole arc. He would have eventually gotten out of the force block as the comic stated. So again 24hr of amping is far more than 1 hr of amping which is my point.

Surfer amping with the PG for just 1 min would probably double his power. Look at how the PG amped characters that had no where close to Surfer's energy absorbtion ability. Ms Marvel with the PG was at least double her original power almost INSTANTLY. It all depends on how well the user can amp from it. Surfer can definitely use it better than anyone who ever had the PG.

Remember guys this isn't Surfer with a power upgrade with the PG.
This is Surfer with a power upgrade and with more amping over a 24hr period.
I'm the OP and this is what I mean and want.

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Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thor has alot of amping expereince via the Odinpower, Like i said Thor has more experience with amping relics, PLus as i stated and others the PG doesn't amp you to infinte strength only time it showed to do this is when all the gems were together

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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Didn't some of the Elder's of the Universe have cosmic awareness as well? Especially Grand Master?

Odin likely takes this fight. The only time the PG was infinity in power was when the user had the other gems with it. In the same way the PG amps the other gems, it seems like the other gems like mind, soul, time, space, and reality give greater knowledge/access to into using each gems properly. This coincides with the reality gem's case where it's been stated to be the most dangerous gem to use if it was not used in unison with the other gems. Even Thor couldn't amp enough to wreck Thanos the way Odin did. Surfer does have cosmic awareness but even then it's limited. I don't see it giving him the level knowledge to access the PG properly enough to beat Odin.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Thor never amped with the Odinpower. He just had it.
Thor has almost no experience or feats amping off outside energies (whether through relics or anything else).

Of course the PG doesn't give one infinite power but it does amp one very well, especially over time.
IMO, a 100x more powerful Surfer can fight Odin to a good fight. If the PG can double your power in 1 hour then in 24hr Surfer would be over 16 million times more powerful.

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Originally posted by DarkOdin
You statement here is so wrong it is not even funny

Thor has ton's of feats amping with items

Belt of strength
Odinpower

Odinpower example
When he fought Thanos' clone with the belt sheild an etc.

Dented capt's sheild

Anything he did as king Thor like beheading the destoryer

THe PG never show to double someone's strength in a 1 and you whole 100x more powerful is backed by no feats on a power gem only weilder

When has SS use a relics to amping himself i can't think of one

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Originally posted by the Darkone
That's H1 for you, doesn't know what the hell he is talking about!! He is the joe Biden on this forum, constantly saying stupid thigs and making himself look like a idiot

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Originally posted by Nihilist
The irony of h1 saying about how Surfer would amp is laughable when you consider his stance that Thor never amped via the PG when he fought Thanos.

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Originally posted by Nihilist
Bwhahaha and how do you come up with 2x bullshit when Thor had the gem for a good length of time.

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Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say Thor was 2x more. I said he wasn't more than 2x more. That means he could have been less (like 1.5x). We know I'm right because of direct feats. PG Thor has no feats that show him being more than 2x more powerful than his normal self. Thor simply wasn't amping off the PG fast enough. He only consciously amped against Strange's and Warlock's blasts and when he was in the force block.

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Originally posted by the Darkone
Silver Surfer w/power gem if he taps into it could reach high trans as where Odin can amp beyond Sky Father level wit the Odin-Force..

Prime example Tittana when she had the power gem when she fought she-hulk and the avengers, she was most likely mid trans or at low at best and she was trained by Champion of the Universe.


Odin will trump SS all around regardless if has the power gem!!