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He ripped Star Destroyers from orbit with his telekinetic abilities, that being considered his telekinetic abilities are huge. The Emperor has not shown TK defenses on that level.
Visas still says during the fight that Nihilus is "too powerful." I find it terribly convenient that his supposed gigaton punch was reduced just enough that he couldn't splat Canderous.
It's called CIS (Character Induced Stupidity) It's the same reason Nihlus didn't just eat Canderous and Visas the moment they stepped onto the bridge to oppose him.
Or perhaps Nihilus's ability to drain is much more limited than some would have us believe? Or perhaps Nihilus's telekinetic powers have been exaggerated?
Let's at least explore these options before just casually disregarding anything that contradicts certain ideas?
Maybe Canderous was simply below his notice in the fight. Who knows, maybe the Exile and Visas protected him. The fight happens in gameplay so we're left to speculate. It's similar to T7-O1 surviving the fight with the Emperor in the Jedi Knight fight. When we know that he's capable of shattering astromech droids with a gesture from Revan.
Besides, he does casually hold/stun them at the start, showing that he can pwn them with the Force.
Though I certainly agree that even an elite muggle like Canderous is nowhere close to Nihilus's own level, I'm skeptical of any Sith Lord ignoring someone in a fight who's trying to kill them with a multitude of weapons. Hell, Vitiate took notice of a utility droid in combat.
Unless Nihilus is impervious to blasterfire or conventional weapons' damage.
How?
Yeah, but no one's suggesting that Vitiate is capable of hitting someone with TK powerful enough to rip starships from gravity wells. It's believable that Vitiate would have his hands full entirely with the Jedi Knight, who is clearly more powerful than he is, to the extent that he could not deal with the Knight's companion.
Setting aside the reason why he'd have to stun them, given that they are gnats before his all-encompassing Force tempest (or some such other flowery prose), this is a far cry from the sort of TK Nihilus is alleged to possess.
1. Vitiate killed the entire Dark Council
2. Vitiate reduced 4 of the Jedi Order's best to nothing more than his slaves with what appeared to be no effort.
3. Even before his rituals on Nathema, hundreds of sith lord fell under his powers when they arrived on the planet. So no, nobody compares to Vitiate when TK is involved.
Well duh. At this point I know the Nihilus arguments like the 8ack of my claw-like, sca88y hand.
Viti8 only did that when there was no-one else to fight, after he had su8jug8ed Revan. The Exile and Visas were likely a much 8igger threat to him, so he focused on them.
Plus T3 is hardcore. Lil dude took out 3 HK-50's at the same time in Kotor 2.
Well I always find ri88ed to be the 8est opt- oh, I mean, er they pro8a8ly used Force Shields or something.
Only that he's disintegr8ed utility droids in the past with a wave of his hand.
Remem8er that Nihilus also had his hands full. He died in that fight after all.
Well its not like he was trying to kill them at that point.
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Limited? We see in Unseen Unheard him consume an entire world. Unlike the Emperor where we merely hear about him consuming a world through a legend we see Nihilus do it on screen. The Emperor's feats aren't that great.
As for Nihilus' TK feats, it is blatantly stated by multiple sources that Nihilus ripped those vessels from the mass shadows of Malachor V. Canderous flat out says that the Ravager is not space worthy, and it is heavily implied that the Ravager is held together by Darth Nihilus' sheer will.
I still have not seen a convincing argument as to why the Emperor would win except. 'Lol mind rape.' Which is really doubtful considering that Nihilus is driven only by hunger. Abeloth may be similar but she is still conscious. Nihilus does not even see the galaxy the way force sensitives do, he simply views it as his dinner plate.
Prove that Vitiate solo'd the Dark Council. All we know is the Dark Council enters his Dark Temple and they don't leave. You know the Dark Temple filled with his loyal protectors that get a powerboost when they are around him.
Simply not true. He defeated 3 Jedi Knights and Tol Braga. We know the Jedi Knight at that time was considerably weaker than when he fought the Emperor. Tol Braga even admitted that he broke from his control but chose to turn to the Dark Side.
Prove that they instantly fell under his control. And post feats for those "hundreds of Sith Lords". Because Nihilus instantly consumed 100 battlehardened Jedi who survived the Jedi Civil War.
It is pretty clearly expressed that after some time Nihilus' power essentially took over him and he became the embodiment of hunger. The calculated double-cross was before that. Yes he could still speak to people and he could still speak but his perception of the universe, and his own being was different than pretty much anything else we've seen.
So what? If he has a mind he can succum8 to mind-control. 8esides:
'The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side’s power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi’s connection to the light side. Jedi Master Tol Braga’s strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader’s oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil.'
Except...Tol Braga did break free, Revan did resist it, and he was able to teach the Exile and Scourge too as well. Canon blatantly contradicts the link you just posted. And Nihilus is multiple levels more powerful than Tol Braga, the Exile, and Revan via feats.
No, they entered the throne room, and didn't come out. Not the temple.
It doesn't matter what Braga claimed. We see Vitiate wave his hand, and all the jedi go down. With no effort, he wtfpwned 3 powerful jedi and the jedi knight. And at that point, the jedi knight was declared as the Republic's only hope.
The text said "they instantly fell under his control". I don't have to prove what's already there. I also don't need feats for these sith lords. The point is, they were sith lords that were instantly tranformed into his slaves, proving Vitiate's superior TK. And finally, please show me where it said Nihilus consumed 100 jedi.
Nihilus' power was such that he made instant slaves of his crew, which wasn't nearly as impressive as Vitiate having the entire planet under his sway. And unless you want to start claiming that the Exile>entire planet of Miralukas, it stands to reason that Nihilus can not simply turn his hunger on at any time. Nothing suggests he can affect Vitiate on any level. This of course, forgetting the thousands of years of Vitiate mastering whatever the dark side had to offer.
Sep 27th, 2012 05:19 AM
