Shaak Ti still wins imo. Even before her exile she was one of the top Jedi in the Order and was even greater afterwards. See here, she takes on about 20 magnaguards at once and seems to have the upper hand:
I also enjoy her trick with Grievous' cape. Even Palpatine seemed impressed.
While fleeing in a tricky environment. When she got serious she was taking them down in single strikes, multiple ones in quick succession, duel wielding her lightsaber and an electrostaff.
Bullshit. Not only is she a match for him in lightsaber combat but she also has the Saarlac on her side and has a planetary-level Force feat and can block lightsabers with her hands. She severely pressed a far superior opponent than Maul and would kill the Zabrak in a fight.
Its a tight environment with dangerous trains to look out for. So she needs to constantly be aware of where the trains up and isn't free to move in any way she wants. We even see her get pressed up to a speeding train at one point.
She's more interested in running away than actually fighting. This is clearly obvious as she is fleeing throughout the fight. Even at the start of the second fight she's running. Its only after she loses her lightsaber that she stands her ground and actually fights them seriously. Coincidentally she then starts whooping their asses.
But no you're right, I'm sure the reason she did so much better in the second fight was just..... steroids?
Other than you know, being one of the best swordsmen in the Order????
Agreed that it will give him a hard time.
As did Starkillers. And Mauls TK also eclipses Kenobi's, yet he still got handled by him.
I said 'opponent' not duelist. And Marek is at least equal to him, yes. His lightsaber skills are 'near perfect', he's stronger than Maul and he defeated Darth Vader after all.
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All of this should be applied to the Magnaguard too, then.
This doesn't mean that she didn't give everything she had.
Jinn has the exact same accolade: the same Jinn, whom with the help of his apprentice, was inferior to Maul by a good margin.
Unlike Maul, I'm not aware of Starkiller using any force powers directly on his opponent (choke, push, wave etc).
lol
Kenobi has never shown to be Maul's superior. The fight in ''Revival'' was [clearly] the result of circumstances and, for the matter, Maul specifically says in ''The Lawless'' that he ''never planned on killing him''.
Nice hyperbole.
In what sense?
Maul was [clearly] superior to Vader when they fought, and this was without knowing the style Vader used, an advantage that favored Starkiller.
Wait. I'm confused as to how someone thinks Clone Wars Maul stacks up to Force Unleashed Shaak Ti. Especially since Force Unleashed has some of the most powerful and liberal use of the Force and feats in Star Wars media history. It's right up there with the original Clone Wars where Dooku could fly and Windu sent out a pressure wave flattening hundreds of Super Battle Droids with ease.
While on the other hand, Nu-Clone Wars is a lot more grounded. Fights are slower, the Force is a lot less powerful of an entity most of the time with the higher end feats being few and far between. Like Palpatine blasting Maul, or Anakin teaching the Son and Daughter a lesson, etc...
Maul had a decent amount of effort put into that fight against Pre Vizla.
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If I remember correctly, the novel implied that Marek didn't rival Vader in force power until after he recovered from his near death experience at the hands of Vader. It's been years since I've read the TFU novel, and I don't remember Marek's best force showing up to the point when he fought Shaak Ti, but looking through the comic, his best force feat before fighting Shaak Ti was throwing a tie fighter, which isn't anything beyond what Maul can do.
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Maul can chuck a TIE fighter? A TIE fighter that weighs at least 10-20 tons and 20 feet tall? No one in Clone Wars showed that kind of Force output that I can recall.
Maul moved a ship about the same size in one episode.
Yes, thats what I said. But at no time does it actually enable him to win. Kenobi seems to be either his equal or straight up superior in terms of overall combat prowess.
Best feat at that point:
'As he walked cautiously forward, feeling the nearness of Kazdan Paratus but uncertain of his exact location, one of the rubbish piles stirred. From it stepped a humanoid machine made from the junked droid parts he had expected to find on his journey.
The braincase of an FX-8 medical droid was bolted onto a body cobbled together from several types of outdated protocol models. Its limbs appeared to come from a mixture of EV and B1 battle droids, tipped with instruments and tools that wouldn't looked out of place in a workshop. Its sole functioning photoreceptor glared a bright, furious yellow. Its lurching gait achieved an appreciable speed before he sliced its head off.
A second patchwork droid emerged from a different rubbish pile, followed by a third. The sound of more droid golems stirring line from elsewhere in the Temple. The apprentice fought them ¨ with practiced ease. He had been dueling PROXY all his life; knew the weaknesses and strengths of droids, even one capable, by a clever use of repulsor technologies and a specially adapted antique training lightsaber, of imitating a Jedi. Ones such as these, with barely a matching part among them, were child's play.
Soon the foyer was full of the twitching, smoking bodies of the temple's hapless guardians. He began to tire, not from exertion but from the tedium of knocking down droid after droid, to no apparent end. There might have been thousands of them.
Deactivating his lightsaber, he took a deep breath. With one mighty exhalation of power, he blasted all of them-those in pieces and those approaching with needle-tipped fingers and vibrosaws upraised-out of the foyer doors. Then he blasted the rubbish piles after them. He kept pushing until a dark cloud toured out over Raxus Prime's hideous landscape-an artificial hurricane full of droid golems.
When the foyer was clear, the apprentice straightened. He was no longer pushing with the Force, but the floor beneath him shook nonetheless. A heavy booming sound came from deeper in the Temple, and was getting louder. He had certainly attracted someone's attention now.'
He's also blown open a corvettes hull wide enough for a TIE fighter to fly through and actually powered said battle-cruiser's engines using his lightning, enough for it to move and be powered for dozens of seconds.
So? That wouldn't make it easier to defeat, just draw the fight out as they both have to fight carefully. Plus it is a machine.
Sure, because focusing on running away totally doesn't hinder your ability to fight.
And that automatically makes her inferior to him? You said that she has no feats or accolades to indicate that she's a skilled swordsman, I reminded you that you're wrong.
Also recall that this was before she became much more powerful.
And that despite how l33t he is, he still had trouble against a non-Force sensitive in Vizla.
Yeah, because Maul uses the Force all the damn time and Starkiller never uses it.
He attacks her with the Force in their duel, however he needed to direct most of it against the Saarlac.
Why would he need to kill him to ragdoll him? If he's so much more powerful he should be able to wtf pwn him with the Force, shouldn't he?
And yes it is circumstantial. Maul doesn't have Savage Oppress here to fight with him like he did in that one. Clearly he was soooo disadvantaged though, right?
Seriously, Maul is nowhere near the hot shit you make him out to be. He's Clone Wars Kenobi level.
Prove that its an exaggeration. Even if it is, hyperbole doesn't equal nothing. Its still an immensely impressive description of his lightsaber sills.
Well in terms of Force Power (which as of Path of Destruction is a huge part of lightsaber combat) and in terms of physical strength. So, both.
Prove that that was actually Maul. And then, as per canon Vader had diminished by the time that comic is set. The Vader Starkiller fought was superior to that version.
Also yeah, he's so damn superior that he lost, amiright?
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I'd personally say Maul taking on all of Black Sun's top dogs is more impressive. He killed seven of the Galaxy's most deadly assassins in seconds in one scene.
And Maul was one of the most highly trained Sith Apprentices ever.
Did he? Not Maul's best showing but as I remember he was the one standing at the end of it whilst Kenobi was knocked senseless.
Also I don't think Maul's TK "eclipses" Kenobi's. But I do agree it's better than Kenobi's.
Maul's skills were not "near perfect". They pretty much were perfect looking at all the descriptions to his skills.
And Maul completely mastered Juyo. I don't remember any mention of Galen having "Mastered" Juyo. Just being proficient at it's use.
Point is, Ti was at no bigger disadvantage than the droid. Thus, she still had trouble with a single Magnaguard.
Not really. Her mission was to protect with Chancellor. It's ridiculous to think that she wouldn't give everything she had in such an important mission.
You're twisting my words. I never said she wasn't a skilled swordsman, I said that she has no accolades to prove a match for him.
Prove it.
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It was combat of honor. Vizsla has already lost handily to Kenobi if I recall so.
He needed to? Prove it.
What? He wtfpwned him twice in Revial alone: first he chokes him and throws him against the wall, in the end he hurls him so hard that the ceiling collapsed. If that's not a ragdolling I'm not sure what is.
Are you actually serious? Why do you think that Kenobi has never beaten Maul in a duel? He has lost twice and stalemated him once.
He is. For a strict comparison, the difference between someone like he and Windu/Dooku in terms of technical skill is minimal. He's a ''high-end master of multiple forms'', his training consisted of intense physical training, one of the most highly trained Sith ever in history, he focused on developing his tactical abilities...
Sure. Maul's skill are ''nonpareil''.
We can work out hyperboles all day, but it's not gonna help your case.
The same Path of Destruction in which it is said that a better duelist (Maul) can beat a more powerful force user (Starkiller)?
As if this would actually matter. Maul's cybernetic legs has allowed him to nullify Opress' strength completely.
Maul always gets underestimated just because of one mistake against obi-wan. he was arrogant but he still essentially defeated obi-wan in dueling and killed Qui-gon who is a very good swordsman. also, later when he realized not to be arrogant, he defeated obi-wan on numerous encoutners in CW. shaak ti does not have many feats except escaping from darth vader in the temple which i suppose is somewhat impressive but not enough of a feat to say that she could beat Maul who held his own against the sith lord and whose fighting skills were renowned. maul wins this one maybe 7/10.
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
A lot of discussion has been on the magnaguard fight. Keeping in mind that this is TFU Ti, her powers have grown to the point that Maul would be hard pressed to win. Throw in her pet and she takes it.
Shaak Ti all three, she might lose sabers without the Sarlaac though. She's just as fast, much more powerful, almost as strong and, while Maul is a better duelist, Shaak is extremely close in this category. I really think people underrate Shaak and overrate Maul.
Faster, more skilled, more powerful, and physically stronger.
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