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leaving dcnu bats aside, what new feats does the upgraded panther have that would lead me to think he's better than bats at h2h? there is no chance anyone will convince me bp was more skilled than bats before the upgrade. love to see some skill feats that prove that. i won't see them though, because i can categorically state they do not exist. i also find it ceaselessly amusing how so many people still say that just because an opponent is enhanced, that they get some form of auto-win over bats. people will start thinking i'm a bats slappy or something, but ffs, bats has hype BECAUSE he has so many feats to back that hype up. and while he's lost some, and had some lesser showings (name someone who hasn't) he's stalemated and beaten damn near everyone in dc in h2h. and his wins over metas? i put those feats under the same umbrella i put logan fighting and beating cl100 guys--if it happens enough that even if i don't like it, i can not in good conscience blame it on PIS. if you think bp trashes batman, well, you're either a pure hater, or just haven't read enough batman stuff.
this would be a VERY close fight that neither would sweep. taking gear away, bp would likely win in the end, but i don't think it would ever be easy and i def think bats could still take some. imo bats has the edge in h2h, while bp is stronger and more durable. maybe the upgraded bp would win, but i'd love to see the feats to back that up, and again, i'm not talking about dcnu bats here. i'll wait on the skill feats that clearly depict bp>>>bats.
Nobody is saying that T'challa wins just because he's enhanced. Rather, everyone is saying that he wins because he has far better technology, a less restrictive and more protective suit of armor, comparable intellect, and comparable fighting skills. Bruce may be the better martial artist, but Panther has consistently beaten and/ or stalemated people of Bruce's caliber (Iron Fist, Captain America, Korvak, Wolverine). I personally think that T'challa takes this, but it is by no means a stomp.
BP HUGE edge. It's hilarious for someone to think BM could hang with BP based on hand to hand prowess as if BP is chopped liver. Last time I checked this was a battle proposed on a battle board, not an effing Taekwondo match. BP would KILL Batman in an actual fight.
The following is obviously not directed at you. I am quite frankly sick of the group of DC fans here who continually imply that all DC characters display "better H2H" with nothing to back up their claims beside each other. It mirrors the crowd that says every DC character starts off with a nanosecond speed blitz in battle. Skill as depicted in still panel comics is in the eye of the beholder. No amount of so called skill could save Bruce Wayne from being beaten silly by T'Challa, period. The best chance he has as a win is a plot device utility belt showing, but then again, that's unlikely to happen being that BP's tech is superior. Oh, and by the way, BP is also SMARTER than Batman as well- deal with it. Outside of fan[boy]tasies, Batman loses to BP every time.
To recap, BP is stronger, faster, smarter, more agile, richer, more deadly, and has better tech. You can argue better H2H all you want, but you can't prove it. Perhaps you guys thing Batman can take out Spiderman as well. After all, he doesn't have a martial arts background.
That's exactly what I am saying, respect or not. BP is flat out better at everything including hand to hand. He would make Batman beg for Bane to kick his ass.
Leo BM has comparable H2H skill, but when it comes to strength, he is outclassed, his suit is not up to par with BP, his resources are somewhat piddly next to a King with far more resources than he even has. BP outclasses BM in agility, and acrobatics. I do not know what the recent upgrade is, but if it makes him even better, then how does Batman stand a chance when even his tech is below BP's?
I find myself agreeing with those people who are saying that BP could sweep this, especially if BP were to sneak one of those heavy jarring hits that he has in on BM's jaw, but did not stop to chat about how he moves as fast as the wind. Look BM won't win this.
They are just too far apart. People get caught up in Batman's popularity/factor and also the fact that they look similarly in costume. They are not. Batman is not doing this:
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Black Panther one shotted Karnak. He fought Killmonger, a 10 tonner who has displayed 10 ton strength, for 13 hours straight, but his hand to hand isn't on par with Batman??? Black Panther is straight up super human and I am sure Batman himself would have no problem saying he is out of his league.
Barman is certainly the more skilled of the two. Bp is physically superior, but Bruce is as close as you can get to "super human" while still being "human".
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