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The Son vs Prime Luke, DE Sidious, and lord vitiate
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Tondemonai
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Son is supposed to be the entity embodying and representing the Dark Side, and rivaled by no other in terms of Dark Side power, though Abeloth is an exception. In short, I don't see these three winning, unless this is Luke while he was one with the Force


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Angelalex242
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Luke can probably anchor this team enough to take Son out. He'll be taking most of the punishment, much like he does when fighting Aboleth...but if Krayt, Ben, and Vestara are enough to help Luke take out Aboleth, then Luke with the far superior help he has here should be able to take Son out.

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Son is toast, badly outgunned.

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Originally posted by Tondemonai
Son is supposed to be the entity embodying and representing the Dark Side, and rivaled by no other in terms of Dark Side power, though Abeloth is an exception. In short, I don't see these three winning, unless this is Luke while he was one with the Force

Don't be ridiculous.

Check my arguments and revelations in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=4

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Tondemonai
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Don't be ridiculous.

Check my arguments and revelations in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=4


Trust me when I say that I vote for Vitiate whenever I can and it is logical, and in this case it is, though it is stated multiple times by multiple sources that the Ones can only be truly killed by the Blade of Mortis, and assuming they can beat him down severely enough to make him have to recover, they could get the dagger and kill him when he returns. That's the only way I see them winning, and also the only thing I see getting in their way.


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Regardless of whether or not you view the Ones as untouchable or not, none of these guys comes remotely close to soloing the Son.


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Honestly I can't see an immortal force god being defeated by any mortals


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Regardless of whether or not you view the Ones as untouchable or not, none of these guys comes remotely close to soloing the Son.



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EmperorSidious2
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I see Luke as the only one who could contend by himself with the son or the daughter


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Angelalex242
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In Oneness, Maybe. Depends on how much of his dad's maximum he actually has that way. It's hard to define.

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It is like taking a trained navy SEAL, and putting him in the boxing ring against 5 toddlers. You could make it 100 toddlers and the SEAL would still utterly slaughter them.

Son rofl stomps this team before they realize time has even passed


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Honestly I can't see an immortal force god being defeated by any mortals


Abeloth is an immortal force god, and see where that got her with just Luke and Krayt.

No *one* mortal can kill one, but like in myth, great heroes can fight gods.


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Angelalex242
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Yes. Essentially, the team here is FAR FAR Superior to the one that confronted Abeloth.

And that's why the team wins.

Speaking of which, Abeloth>Son, so don't use that as an excuse.

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Son shorts out their lightsabers and then kills them.


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Son moves faster than they can perceive and makes them explode with a thought.


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You'll have to explain how Son does that when Abeloth could not vs. inferior foes.

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You'll have to explain how Son does that when Abeloth could not vs. inferior foes.


Abeloth during that fight was not at her prime, she was split into many forms and most of her other forms in which she divided her power had been killed.

The son is not split, he is one singular being with all his power focused.

Abeloth unlike the Son is also not immortal, she can be killed, the son as long as the father is alive cannot be killed.


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@Angel: Because the Son is a vastly superior combatant with nearly millions of years of more combat experience. thumb up

Abeloth might have a raw power advantage over him, but she doesn't compare in any other areas at all. I might not even give her the power edge either, tbh.


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SunRazer
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@Angel: Because the Son is a vastly superior combatant with nearly millions of years of more combat experience. thumb up

Abeloth might have a raw power advantage over him, but she doesn't compare in any other areas at all. I might not even give her the power edge either, tbh.


Is there a reason for this? The Son may have been an innately more powerful being, but Abeloth gained her powers from the nexuses that supplied the power to both the Son and Daughter, which should more than compensate. Feat-wise, Abeloth can more than compete, and I'm willing to bet that if the Son and Daughter combined their strength with that of the Killiks to defeat Abeloth, then she's not incapable of competing with just the Son.

The Son's only combat experience in those years was fighting his sister. And frankly, combat experience is utterly irrelevant to beings of this class. Abeloth knows how to control her powers, and so does the Son. That's all that matters.

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Is there a reason for this? The Son may have been an innately more powerful being, but Abeloth gained her powers from the nexuses that supplied the power to both the Son and Daughter, which should more than compensate.

Not really. The Son and Daughter were apparently born as Celestials in the first place, meaning they weren't mortals when they went in the nexus'. Likewise, they had the power to not be corrupted by the energies (unlike Abeloth and other Sith who have went in it), and were rather transformed into embodiments of the Force. Abeloth isn't really a side of the Force - she's the opposite of it. She's like a cancer of the Force.

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Feat-wise, Abeloth can more than compete, and I'm willing to bet that if the Son and Daughter combined their strength with that of the Killiks to defeat Abeloth, then she's not incapable of competing with just the Son.

I doubt the credibility of the Killik's in regard to that. It would be purely legend and myth with no way for finding out. In the very core of canon, only the Chosen One can subdue both the Son and Daughter. Suggesting Abeloth can too goes against a key element of the entire concept.

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The Son's only combat experience in those years was fighting his sister.

Fighting the most powerful light-side user for millions of years, indeed. thumb up

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And frankly, combat experience is utterly irrelevant to beings of this class. Abeloth knows how to control her powers, and so does the Son. That's all that matters.

Except she doesn't. That's the core being of her nature. She has no skill. She's the embodiment of chaos - of unpredictability. She doesn't know how to control anything because control is not of her nature. She could easily have killed Luke in a second, but she didn't. Why? I don't know, no one knows, that's the entire concept of her character. She's a god terrible fighter with immense raw power. I honestly consider her to be among the worst combatants in all of the mythos given the power she wields. The Son and the Daughter are the embodiment of their respective sides of the Force - taking each to the highest pinnacle of mastery imaginable - and even then some more. They have control over their abilities, and are pretty damn straightforward.


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