High herald durability, strength, and speed, even without equipment.
Claiming otherwise is unfair. She's repeatedly proven herself in the weight class of Supes, Captain Marvel, MM, and the like.
She is in Supes weight class like Wonderman is in Thor's. She has looked good against Billy but again Superman's bad habit of beating everyone and only losing kinda makes it hard to put anyone in his category.
Don't get me started on wasted potential incarnate, the Martian Manjobber.
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Sacrifice, she did quite well in the grounded portion and ended the fight with a throat cut. For Tomorrow, stalemate with Superman. War of the Gods, shown to be on a level with Captain Marvel. Then there's the time when she fought Doomsdayified Superman under Circe's enchantment and won with a lasso tie after a sustained fight (Silver Swan stole her lasso so she had to get it back). And while that's not normal Superman... 'someone with the power of superman only more muscular and armored' is pretty clearly HH in power ^^
And since you bring up Martian Manjobber, in Doomsday War, Doomsday easily one-shotted MM, and trashed Orion with only somewhat more effort, then Wonder Woman went toe to toe with him and took four shots just fine, before DD won by using brains (as in, it was secretly brainiac so he tied her up). Of the three, only Wonder Woman was able to put up a good fight.
She also solidly beats Power Girl, a solid Mid Herald.
Solidly beats Achilles, who in turn beats Eradicator, a mid-herald.
Beats Barda, a mid herald.
Beat Zolomon-Zoom, a High Herald.
Beat Genocide, a high-herald to arguably trans (trashed a JLA team with two heralds in it).
Killed the god Phobos (I think- might've been Deimos. Perez run. Tiara decap), and like many gods he was herald level.
Or, long story short, classic WW beats Mid-Heralds by a margin fairly often, has good fights against High Heralds, and when faced with a physical trans, put up a much better fight than two other notable heralds.
On the flip side....
Current Diana did lose most of her versatility. Bracers are not as unbreakable, nor do they produce lightning, she doesn't have the killy tiara, and nor do I think her hand to hand feats are as impressive.
She can go 'god mode' by removing the bracers, but on the flip side that lowers her defense.
So, yea, I'm with you that nu52 Diana is less impressive than old.
Both are not high heralds. Wonder Woman has too much of a terrible record against mid heralds like Etrigan, J'onn, White Martians, Power Girl etc to be a high herald.
Power Girl- Took her out when Wondy was poisoned, lost cleanly strait-up.
And J'onn's done well against High Heralds. Heck, so has Etrigan, iirc punching Superman to the moon once. White Martians got her from behind, and they took out every member of the JLA, and she's also trashed White martians strait up.
Mid and High herald are only one step apart, mid heralds occasionally doing well against a High is not rare and hardly a disqualification for the level.
Diana most of the time beats mids, but is threatened by them, and most of the time stalemates/does pretty well against highs, and has a number of good showings against Trans levels. Seems pretty clear to me.
I don't use abc logic of who beat who. Diana has the speed, defenses, and skill to defend against any attack from brb. She has the hax weaponry to outright one shot.
Given only speed and the lasso then she wins a majority
And then caught her punch straight up. PG was mindcontrolled when Diana got her in a full nelson, she wasn't beaten or anything.
Really? Post one high herald fight for him. He was amped there. Superman has casually owned him three times. This again? How many times are you going to repeat this lie? She got oneshotted by trionix and none of JLA sans Arthur were beaten.
No, that's not what a mid/high herald definition is.
Correction, she gets beaten by mids. Etrigan alone has a record of 3-1 against her, martians have 5-1 and so on. She isn't a high herald. Deal with it.
No, she had her emotions controlled, same difference. Being made to think Diana had turned evil is not the same as a telepath puppeting her, she was still using her normal fighting skills, and still hit Diana with some full-power hits.
It's also funny how you think poison doesn't negatively affect strength, but being enraged does.
And they captured Superman, and she beat one strait-up later to boot, and she'd already clobbered Fluxus.
You stop lying ^^
Oh wow, so doing better than mids, around even with highs, and putting up fights against trans doesn't count?
No wonder you don't rate her as high, you obviously have your own, 'unique' definitions of what it is.
We all know how you love to under-sell her and ignore any parts of fights that don't indicate otherwise. It's so transparent a bias it's hardly worth mentioning.
Oh yea, left out a part: Tronix only zapped her when she looked to see the defeated Arthur, and the shot was literally shown hitting her *in the back*.
So when I say Tronix got her from behind... I am being entirely literal.
And the martians also off-panel beat Kyle and Flash....
But hey, keep leaving things out of fights.
Justice League International, first story, beats Captain Marvel (under Grey man's influence) in a slug fest.
She was still mentally controlled and all wonder woman did was free her from it. She didn't beat her by KO or something. Restraining PG isn't some big feat anyway, supergirl and J'onn have both done it.
And where did I say she was affected by poison when she attacked PG at fortress?
By tricking him. Never did. All she did was hold her while she got unconscious by asphyxiation. Just punched him away. Kyle oneshotted the same Fluxus.
Hahahahaha.
The fact is she doesn't. She looks like an underdog against every high herald and sometimes even mid heralds.
Nah, I look at what she has done, not what she "should" be capable of. No high herald would need intervention to save himself from ****ing etrigan. She needed help twice.
Hahahaha, its just so cute now.
Did she? I thought she hit her in her side while Wonder Woman was peeking for Arthur. Oh well, look how well she does when she sees it coming.
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