The speed one reacts, moves and fights at. Not just the speed one travels at. It's not difficult.
I just frigging gave you the examples it's based on. When in the world have you seen Human Torch punch 100 times per second? Or see everything moving in slow motion, or run at someone superspeed? Never.
And yet he clearly flies at supersonic speed.
Ergo Travel speed is something completely different to Combat speed.
Because Teleportation is travel speed. If travel speed and combat speed were the same thing (as your claiming) then that would make Nightcrawler a speedster.
Storm is another one. She spins flying really fast in X3, but then gets blitzed by an actual speedster.
So most movies don't follow your line of logic. They follow the line that combat speed is something entirely different to travel speed.
We've been over this before, and I've shown you proof after proof after proof, but you just don't seem to get it.
Last edited by Darth Thor on May 28th, 2014 at 09:48 AM
Note that word. Moves, guess what they're doing by flying :distracted
Also, aside from narrations stating such things, one can never truly tell how fast one fights (why we don't based speeds off fights instead of feats of speed)
>It looked slow so it is slow
****, if I remember he was able to circle Doom and torch his ass (not entirely sure on this one) while flying. Take that for what you will
And he's need to have similar reactions and perceptions if he's to fly and not be completely uncoordinated and crash into ****ing everything
Matter of fact, it's rare a case in fiction that characters will have reactions far lower than their own movement
See gentlemen, this is a prime example of the "combat speed" argument
There is no such thing. It is merely a fallacy invented by MVC trolls and DBZ tards to lowball speed of characters until they can disregard showings and say their favored guy speedblitzes
No it isn't. By teleporting you're ignoring time and distance to get places rather than crossing distances by any amount of time
Seriously, is it not obvious that teleportation=/=any form of speed by now?
Because the speedster is obviously just faster than Storm. Not a case of "combat speed" at all
No, they clearly don't
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Last edited by StealthRanger on May 28th, 2014 at 10:16 AM
No not at all. There's many characters. Human Torch, Iron Man, Storm.
That's absolute Bull. You've just gone and made the Human Torch a speedster based upon him moving around Doom really fast and Storm for spinning around really fast LOL.
By teleporting he's moving under his own power. Just as you argue that by flying he's Superman is moving under his own power. Doesn't matter because all that tells you is the speed at which they travel. Not the speed at which they can punch, kick, dodge and react.
And yet Storm was spinning around almost just as fast as she was moving. Go figure?
Yeah that guy and you are both confused. All of comics and movies recognize the difference between travel speed and actual speed.
Why do you think that whenever Superman and Flash would race in their whole history of racing in comics, that they would have a Running contest? Why was Superman never just allowed to fly in their race?
Because that clearly wouldn't be a fair representation of whose faster. That would only show who can travel faster.
So Comics understand this, always have, films understand this as well. It's only you who doesn't get this.
Last edited by Darth Thor on May 28th, 2014 at 11:07 AM
Well ****, unless he's uncoordinated I see no reason why flying fast would give combatants reactions of even a semi similar level
Unless you want to argue he'd crash into ****ing everything when he flies. Yet this is not the case, at all
Well feats are feats and higher end feats are typically considered an accurate portrayal of a character. Flashy camera effects and how fast or slow something 'looked' don't mean anything
Or would you claim Agent Smith and Neo in the Matrix are only peak human subsonic in combat because we can clearly see them fight on screen with no flashy camera effects? It's called the "logical powerscaling>stylistic portrayal" way of thinking
Or to take this logic in Dragon Ball for a mo. Cell vs Goku appears to be faster than Buu vs Gohan, and yet none of us would claim the latter fight is slower because it looked like it. Considering Buu is way more powerful than Cell and Buu Saga characters and way more powerful than Android Saga characters
They're ignoring distance and time. They're not moving (as in the hole d/t=s thing) at all if they teleport. What is there not to get?
Again, high end feats define a character's portrayal for any medium
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Jeez you've been explained this many times. People fly Jet fighter without crashing. Doesn't mean they're just that fast. I can drive a car at 100 mph without crashing, doesn't mean I'm just that fast.
The Human Torch can fly at supersonic speeds. But he's usually flying in the air with nothing to crash into. Does that mean he can read and think at supersonic speeds? Nope. Does that mean he can kick and punch at supersonic speeds? No. Does that mean he can run at supersonic speeds? No.
Heck if it's all about just "Flying in a straight line" then Thor and Green Lantern are both as fast as Superman. In fact heck they might even be faster.
Explain to me why Superman and Flash have always had a "Running" race to decide whose faster instead of just having Superman flying. Explain or concede that even comics get that Flying/Travel speed is different to the speeds you move your limbs at, you think and react at.
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