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A weak spirit Vitiate had to feed off of many deaths to gain enough energy to perform his planet draining technique. How is it baseless speculation to assume that a physical Vitiate whom had just devoured an entire planet, an extremely powerful Dark Side nexus and a huge amount of Sith, can perform the same technique?
Anakin, the most powerful being in the history of the galaxy possessed by the second strongest Sith ever is going to make a monumental difference. Need I remind you what happened when Kyp Durron was possessed by Exar Kun? He achieved his full potential and near effortlessly defeated post-DE Luke.
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Last edited by AncientPower on Jul 20th, 2015 at 01:56 AM
The fact that Anakin is so powerful pretty much guarantees he's not being TP'd by Vitiate. And neither Yoda or Sidious are going to just sit there and watch while it happens either.
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So what you're saying is, Nathema made no difference to the amount of time it would take, but Ziost would because reasons? Not to mention Vitiate had apparently devoured several planets before, and still could not do it instantly. And where is Spirit Vitiate ever seen to be "weak"? He was pretty damn powerful and still required an immense build up to actually perform the ritual.
And I'm confused what you expect Sidious and Yoda to do while Vitiate tries to TP Skywalker, because if he can manage it that is a huge effort and they would dice through Surro's body like no tomorrow.
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Revan, Surro and the Hero without prep fell prey, now unless we think Revan is less mentally capable than Anakin is then Anakin is being possessed.
Beyond Drain and TP I think we need to take into account the summoning of Monoliths, especially those the size of the Colossal and the Worldbreaker, keeping in mind that these are unkillable sith spawn.
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Revan and Malak started to break Vitiate's TP just as soon as they became powerful enough, well before either's prime. Why wouldn't Anakin, who you already said was more powerful, not be able to do the same? Why wouldn't either Yoda or Sidious be able to break it?
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@Selenial, you are assuming that the ritual remained the same when things were blatantly different this time around. At Ziost it was made excessively clear that him absorbing the deaths he caused fueled his technique, well in this situation Vitiate has just ate a planet, a nexus and countless Sith.
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The further away they got the harder it was for Vitiate to maintain. May I remind you that Revan as of the novel would have been unable to do the same without the technique he learned or later, without Meetra Surik's spiritual aid. Since when have Yoda and Sidious been able to de-possess others? Especially from a Sith this powerful?
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There's nothing to suggest that, actually. He needed external power either way, he needed the Sith on Natheema just like he needed the populace of Ziost.
Not to mention a lot of Ziost was evacuated, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea he drained countless Sith since they would have been prioritised. Finally, since the Nexus remained on Ziost years later, and the fact the Monoliths feed on the Dark Nexus still there, I entirely disagree with the idea that he "ate a nexus".
What are you talking about? The technique didn't even work for the others( it was simply using the Dark and the Light sides of the Force, something Anakin already does), and Meetra had nothing to do with Revan resisting Vitiate's power. All she did was replenish his Force reserves. Revan's power allowed him to resist Vitiate. Anakin has far more power than Revan does.
It's not possession. It's telepathy. Far weaker than either have been able to block it's influences, so why can't someone who's confirmed to know all existent Force powers, which telepathy is one of, and one of the strongest Jedi of all time, stop this, especially when it takes time to accomplish on more powerful beings.
Because when the HoT faced Vitiate, he brought up "raw power" when determining whether to TP him or not. If I cared about fully powered Vitiate or thought that he was above anyone here, like you do, I'd care that he was weakened and act like that mattered to a significant degree. But I don't.
Right, but as raw power rarely comes up in a sentence anywhere, I wouldn't expect it to be there. Not that it matters. Anakin has access to more power than the Hero as well. I wasn't talking about Revan's raw power either way, and clearly drew a distinction between pre-JCW Revan, who was able to be dominated, and post-JCW Revan who wasn't.
Quite the opposite, actually. While I acknowledge Vitiate was weakened during the final act of the HoT's story, I still think he's only comparable to the likes of Sidious or Yoda at full power. Whereas just a few days ago, you said Vitiate can solo any incarnation of Sidious, a stance I've never agreed with.
The fact? As if Disney have issued a certification of Anakin Skywalker's infallibility to telepathic subjugation?
Breaking Anakin Skywalker wouldn't be so difficult for a Force-user who have demonstrated the capability to telepathically subjugate a planet's entire populace.
They will be under assault too. Vitiate can attack multiple individuals simultaneously at a time.
Difference is that Vitiate ravaged planet Ziost with his own power.
And these are?
Vitiate needs to attack only 3 individuals with his Force Drain powers in this contest. Why would this take time?
Vitiate had suffered a major setback from the events that took place prior to events on planet Yavin IV. He began to regain his strength from the events on planet Yavin IV, thanks to actions of Revan. Upon arriving on planet Ziost, Vitiate began to attack and feed on more individuals, with each successful attempt increasing his power.
Obsessed with achieving immortality, the Sith Emperor has targeted his own former subjects on the planet Ziost, with every death seemingly extending his dark power.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
They will be under assault too. Vitiate can attack multiple individuals simultaneously at a time.
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Jul 19th, 2015 04:05 PM
. That's pretty ****ing hilarious.
