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^^ .. Yes my friend, we all know in Hickman's world the IG's are restricted to their native universe.
Although, you should try telling Jim Starlin that,
cause the IG (actually a fragment of its power to be exact) he's portraying right now
travels across all of Time. (as in, Alternate/Diverged universes)
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On the Cap issue:
Yep, literally stated to have been Cap's fault. (stipulation/plot)
Those Gems resurfaced, and that same IG was reassembled, then it stalemated God for a while before losing.
So, I guess it was but a momentary reprieve.
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I believe this is a case of different terminology being used to describe the same thing: all of Marvel.
Hickman told us multiple times during the story itself that all of Marvel=the multiverse. Ewing is now using the word "omniverse" to describe the same thing, imo.
It is unknown how much of the Beyonders' power Doom was channeling at any given time. We do know that he spent most of his power/effort on holding Battleworld together, though.
Yup, I'm well-aware of Pym's recollection that 3 Beyonders slew the entire hierarchy(inc. LT.) Later in the story, however, Beyonders were outright killed by FAR lesser means... The Starbrand, for example, obliterated a Beyonder, yet was only stated to have enough power to "protect or destroy A WORLD.": http://i.imgur.com/mrwBqDn.jpg
IOW, if you can destroy a planet, you can theoretically destroy a Beyonder.
Hell, the entire race of Beyonders were destroyed by a bomb that 'only' packed the power of "hundreds of thousands" of universes. Yes, that is a very uber detonation by normal standards, no doubt, but when compared to the power of LT --"the multiverse(ie. infinite universes) taken form"-- that Pym recalled 3 of them battling beforehand, a few hundred thousand universes is...well...literally nothing.
Makes you wonder how trustworthy Pym's recollection really was. I mean, he even said that he couldn't comprehend the full scale/scope of what was going on. /shrug
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Pym said the same battle was happening in every reality. Which implies that 3 Beyonders battled LT in every reality. LT split himself off and 3 Beyonders for every universe fought those fragments.
And apparently it was a heck of a battle too.
Or maybe it was just 3. But that doesn't make any sense with any of the other Beyonderssssssssss feats. Even in that story.
Plus the split battle is backed up by one Beyonder fighting the infinite Celestials in every universe iirc.
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I see. Remember though old friend,
I believe it was established through innuendoes and logic that the forms these Beyonders take on are vulnerable.
That same Beyonder that was destroyed by a so called world-scale power ...
... had the power to "destroy and/or create STARS" ...
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So go figure ... btw. The Beyonder specifically highlighted "stars" cause Hyperion stated he was a "sun."
The Beyonder could've been capable of much more for all we know
but it kept the info within the context of dialogue between itself and Hyperion it seems.
True. But this follows my pint imo.
Remember Owen needed to "draw them out" of the Beyond Realm before attacking.
Ouside the Beyond Realm, Beyonders are forced to take on physical manifestations. Interesting.
Just to throw in a thought. The question to Tom Breevort has always been taken as being a reference to Hyperion and Thor battling hundreds of Beyonders, what if it's the other way around? That the kryptonite reference is actually meant as a way to describe what the Beyonders did to the Cosmic Hierarchy?
The Beyonders who battled LT were the exact same Beyonders who battled the Multiversal Avengers in NA #32--the same ones who were destroyed by things like the Starbrand. The final pages of NA #31 shows us as much: (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
The Beyonders may have been illustrated differently in subsequent issues... But they were the SAME Beyonders nonetheless.
You may be of the opinion that they are God within the Beyond Realm or w/e, but I'm talking about their tangible feats outside of the Beyond Realm--the only ones we can quantify.
Based on the feats they displayed that were not recalled second-handedly by Pym, the Beyonders are decisively less powerful than we were led to believe, imo. One of the Beyonders who played a part in killing LT, for example, was destroyed by a planetary detonation for crying out loud. The entire race of Beyonders were killed by a detonation that wiped out a few hundred thousand universes, etc.
And tbh, I believe Doom/Owen had to 'draw out' the Beyonders so they had something to target. Had they just blindly sent the Bomb through the portal to Beyond Realm, they might not have struck anything but dead-space(the Beyond Realm is extremely vast, after all.) By drawing them out, they could physically lock onto their opponents. /shrug
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The split battle was specifically described as one Beyonder for each universe full of Celestials,
but this detail was not attributed to the LT encounter that I remember.
iirc, the Multiverse took form in the shape of the LT and got stomped.
It makes sense the battle took place everywhere simultaneously since the LT embodied everything at that point.
the new handbook re-retcons the original Beyonder's feats. It says that he easily defeated the Celestials in SW 2 and specifically references LT and the others unable to stop him while killing the abstract death. While also referencing his new child unit origins, and the Beyonders stomping the entire Marvel hierarchy.
Apart from that we have Beyonders being the creators of the multiverse; God doom usurping Eternity, Shaper's power (a cube being) being able to recreate the universe (and Galactus) from scratch easily. All this leads me to believe that they were meant to be above abstracts.
I really can't wrap my head around the low showings, though. They don't make any sense whatsoever to me.
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