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Read the book Neph, Meetra remarks on how powerful the dark side is and states that she can't meditate and achieve enlightenment on the planet.
Furthermore Lord Scourge senses the dark side energy pulsing from the citadel, power enough to sustain him for hours during his training years at the Kaas Academy.
More importantly, Meetra was already physically and mentally far worse off than she was on Malachor V before she underwent five days of no rest or sustenance until fighting Nyriss.
Meanwhile Scourge is on a dark side nexus that can empower him and when he fights Nyriss he has both the Guards' pain to gorge from and also Nyriss' stated ferocity.
But Meetra still does far better in a 1 vs 1 against a focused Nyriss as opposed to Scourge who has to literally fall on his ass to escape a single saber thrust from Nyriss.
Give Meetra full physical and mental capacity and put it on neutral terrain, she is obviously doing a hell of a lot better.
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Like literally all the difference between his two incarnations is a thousand fodder Sith and Jedi that he likely took on in one-on-one combats over 300 years. Sure that is better experience but it is nothing compared to what Meetra did facing legions of Sith.
It is even more enlightening that Meetra kills twice the Guards that Lord Scourge does, in the same amount of time, without sustaining any stated injuries, unlike Scourge who took two serious staff blows, and was amplifying himself off of the terror of the Guards to beat them. Despite the fact this was in the Citadel, which pulses with dark side energy, and was in the presence of the Emperor, whom is stated to weaken and cripple a Jedi's connection to the Light Side of the Force with his presence.
Like legit Scourge has nothing on Meetra.
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Along with the immense experience he'd gain in combat and in the force over 300 years, aren't things. It's almost as if you're...leaving vital information out
Such as the fact that Scourge only got hit because he was receiving/thinking about his force visions, (drawing his attention away from the fight entirely,) is a sith, so amplifies himself off his own emotions and others' emotions anyways, and the all-important fact that Meetra was fighting the same amount of guards. What makes anyone think Meetra fought more than a pair? Like, it's straight up lying to state otherwise:
Literally, the only argument against Novel Scourge that stands is nexus. Freaking Novel Scourge. It's as I said earlier:
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Or you could post the quotes yourself. IIRC her remark is "the darkside was strong" which is as generic ad meaningless as it gets with a nexus. Who gives a shit that she can't meditate? But yeah, post proof that she can't reach enlightenment please, that seems awfully specific for Drew.
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She certainly wasn't worse off. Malachor is a far stronger and more debilitating nexus, the MSG impacted her performance and Meetra had to do a shitton of fighting after crashing on the planet.
If the supposed lack of sleep and food actually impacted her Meetra would surely have rectified the issue. Or her tactical abilities have been greatly, greatly exaggerated because she would be a blithering twit.
I don't care. If this were Revan Scourge you might have a point.
Who cares. Her best feats took place at a greater disadvantage. She still got stomped by Nyriss. Revan Meetra is embarrassingly shit. And according to you, a complete moron.
AP outs herself as knowing diddly squat about Scourge, news at 11.
AP is actually mostly right, on principle. Meetra was working against a dark side nexus, was allegedly much worse for wear than Scourge, and still fared better than he did against Nyriss.
That being said, this doesn't mean that they're not depicted to be relative peers. He's going to put up a hard fight, and 300 years later he should be thoroughly out of her league as a warrior.
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Shame that this massive lapse of time doesn't actually appear to be a huge factor though. Simply extrapolating that an improvement is logical doesn't actually mean what you're suggesting it means. Scourge should logically have improved in the force dramatically, yet he refuses to even face a weakened Vitiate, due to his last engagement. Logically with three hundred years he should be a swordsman who eclipses Dooku and Anakin, but he gets beaten by the HoT who by this point really doesn't have phenomenal feats.
Sith learn through straining themselves, theres really not much reason to believe that killing on average a few Sith/Jedi a year improved him exponentially, and if time was a factor then Sidious would never be a better duelist than Yoda, let alone an equal.
Scourge is shown to be solidly below a Novel!Surik in the Revan Novel, and his increase, while visible, doesn't seem to be huge by any stretch of the imagination. On the flip side, her power levels as of KotOR II, and her wound, are a significant enough boost that she should quite handily beat a prime Scourge.
I wasn't actually saying the 300 years was the reason I have him thoroughly above Meetra; the fact that the Dark Council's leadership feared his strength is evidence enough for me.
More than just them. The Dark Councillors of the TOR Empire were incredibly powerful; their pinnacle members (Nyriss, Marr, Nox, and Jadus) are out of the Exile's league entirely.
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Neph hasn't read the novel, news at 11:
Malachor V was worse than Nathema? Wrong again:
She was being literally discorporated into trillions of subatomic particles, but for her willpower. Malachor V is not even close to that level, or even of the same magnitude. A literal void was tearing her mentally, spiritually and physically apart. The idea she isn't seriously damaged from that is Class-A retardation.
It isn't supposed, but literally stated, she spends the better half of a week purely researching the Sith Empire's tens of thousands of records to find Dromund Kaas. For a Jedi to undergo that a mere two days after nearly being erased spiritually, mentally and physically from existence is going to be incredibly straining.
She heads straight to Dromund Kaas following this, where the Dark Side is stated to be strong enough to send shivers down her spine. The following day is where her attempt to meditate and achieve enlightenment fails, due to the strength of the Dark Side on the planet. Yet she has to fight a band of handpicked mercenaries and still analyses the threat in less than second and hits a heavily armoured merc with a Force push so hard that it kills her on impact.
It's okay to concede Neph, you should be used to it.
No they didn't, that is explicitly stated to be the opposite of the fact of the matter.
Says the person who clearly didn't bother to read the novel with any semblance of comprehension.
Yeh and Meetra Surik whilst seriously hindered utterly outperformed him in an environment that was absolutely his home turf.
Killing 1100 supposedly dangerous Sith and Jedi, likely in single combats, over 300 years, isn't anywhere near as impressive as it sounds, so that's a little over 3 serious challenges per year? Sweet. The Exile was wading through legions of elite Sith
So he is less mentally focused on combat than Meetra, who is capable, as Revan notes, of entering a form of battle focus prior to a contest, that makes her a perfect extension of the Force?
Nice to find some common ground Skillz.
Glad we agree he's feeding off of an enemy to take the final victory, but don't forget that all important citadel emanating with energy that he remarks as capable of sustaining his younger self for hours, from all the way across the City, don't forget that part:
Wrong, so wrong, you cut out the entire first half of the fight, let me give you some numbers and basic step-by-step reading comprehension:
-There were seven guards including Yarri.
-Revan knocked over one of the guards and T3 shot him, as Meetra engaged a pair at the doors. T3 didn't kill the guard as Imperial Guard armor can tank blaster shots.
-Scourge faced Yarri alone in single combat.
-Besides Yarri who Scourge was busy with, and the pair Meetra fought, three guards remained.
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-Revan engages a guard, who he kills.
-So all of a sudden there are three guards left and Yarri, rather than the six and Yarri earlier(the novel mentions three besides the pair Meetra was facing). Scourge doesn't face a pair until after this point as he has been stuck with Yarri solely. Revan killed one of the remaining six, leaving Meetra to deal with five, evidently killing two, until one goes to help Yarri against Scourge.
Meetra: 4
Scourge: 2
Revan: 1
All in the proximity of the Emperor who passively cripples lightside connections to the Force with his mere presence.
Get it? Got it? Good.
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