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Idk who you're talking to here AP, Carthage is Carthage and DMB has ignored every single Kotor debate he's poked his head into for weeks because he knows he'd get slaughtered....
Don't waste your time with filth
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AP's headcanon is strong, I mean killing featless Sith trainees and getting stomped by Nyriss totally means she can beat someone that can stalemate Vader.
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Look at this amazing argument totally based on facts
AP saving face that Meetra's never beaten anyone remotely skilled in a lightsaber duel lmao
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Registered: Jul 2014
Location: Off learning Ground Realities
You need to understand Kotor II better, tbfh. Firstly, know that Meetra was weak on Dromund Kaas, so try not to factor that into this. I'll have a post up in a couple of days that should end that argument for good.
In terms of the era as a whole, we're dealing with the combative Prime of the Jedi Order. Atris, a Jedi Master known for her mastery over Juyo (and by extension several other forms), a greater virtuoso with a blade than the famed guardian Kavar... was "no match" for the Jedi Exile's skill with a blade.
Darth Traya, whose hype you're well aware of by now, defeated Atton Rand (http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profi...s-block-1812822) with a blade "swiftly and brutally", this being a Jedi who moments later would face and defeat Darth Sion, a Jedi who has achieved mastery over several forms of Lightsaber combat. Even she was no match for the Jedi Exile's dueling capabilities, despite canonically holding a strong advantage in Force Power, having the aid of an immense nexus... she could not make up for the disparity between the skill levels of the two.
Carthage likes to suggest the Exile has never defeated a skilled duelist, because no matter how far down this line of thinking you go, he will always be able to call someone featless. The problem is though, unless you have Atton Rand as "random PT Jedi knight"* tier, the Exile simply must be a duelist up there with the best
*No, don't try it. Someone "trained to mastery" by the Exile and left to govern and train the new Jedi, who killed Jedi for fun even before realising he's force sensitive and mastering numerous forms of combat... Is not random Jedi Knight tier.
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Anyways, as of their primes Revan is the MVP of the field. With Anakin, Mace and the Outlander making up the next in line of powerful in no particular order. Though now we get to the bottom two. Meetra and Kenobi. Just to be flat-out, Meetra wins that confrontation. Neither Mace nor Anakin can pull attention enough to save Kenobi from getting beaten eventually, and the same goes for whomever faces Revan.
Essentially, we have Revan VS whomever that will end in victory. The Outlander VS Anakin/Mace who will both take a long time to defeat the Outalnder. While frankly Anakin holds a better chance. Then Meetra VS Kenobi that ends with Meetra's victory in roughly the same span of time it takes for the previous bout to end due to Kenobi's defensive mastery, yet Meetra's mastery of the erratic Form 7 making mounting an accurate defense difficult.
I wonder how much difficulty Anakin, Mace, or Obi Wan would have stomping Atton Rand. And lol @ Sel trying to wank mastering multiple forms of lightsaber combat, by that logic Sirak is just as skilled as Sion for knowing Juyo. Traya as well has no notable saber feats, so beating her is no big deal.
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I never tried to say that Meetra wasn't impressive.
(Though I still don't see Sion as all that impressive, the dude is too ambiguous to rank properly)
I think MEETRA is impressive, and Darth Traya taking Atton down swiftly is impressive.
However, even if Meetra can beat Kenobi in Force, shes just completely outmatched in terms of sabers, based on Kenobi's feats.
Being able to push back Count Dooku, contend with Savage and Maul at once, out-fencing Asajj Ventress completely and totally, and also being able to beat Grievous and give Anakin ****ing Skywalker a REALLY hard time, hard enough that the difference between their skills with a blade are debatable in my eyes.
Form Mastery is just that, Form Mastery, its great that they are masters of that Form, but people who are masters of several forms have gotten stomped by people that you'd consider mediocre in saber combat.
All this should have been directed at Selenial, but **** it, I'm just going with it.
I don't think you realize how many "best duelists" there are.
There's dozens of sub-par Jedi that you'd think are superb duelists based on who they've beaten, but in the grand scheme of things, they're pretty low.
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Kyle Katarn had his powers boosted to the point that he would've easily killed Mara Jade, whose connection to the Force was essentially rendered inert by the Temple. (Dark Forces: Mysteries of the Sith)
The most powerful Jedi in the mythos, Luke Skywalker, had his reflexes hindered so severely that generic Lost Tribe Sith sabers were a threat to himself and the similarly hindered Jaina Solo Fel. (Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse)
All of this was on a less potent version of Dromund Kaas than that faced by Revan and the Jedi Exile.
So tell me what source(not blind speculation) you have suggesting Meetra wasn't significantly hindered on Dromund Kaas, when we have confirmation of the effects of Dromund Kaas in the very novel we're discussing.
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Aug 11th, 2016 03:25 AM
Thanks Scribble!
