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Asajj Ventress/Savage Opress vs. Ben Kenobi/Ahsoka Tano (Rebels) (Lightsabers only)
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cs_zoltan
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Even AotC Kenobi stomped Ventress.


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Originally posted by Jmanghan
She was after she got her second saber, unless you're blind.


Sounds like you're in denial.

Savage won that fight, as Ventress first needed Obi-Wan saving her, and then later ran anyway.


So If you're going to claim otherwise provide the evidence.

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Sounds like you're in denial.

Savage won that fight, as Ventress first needed Obi-Wan saving her, and then later ran anyway.


So If you're going to claim otherwise provide the evidence.
She was only using one saber after using Jar'Kai for pretty much her entire life.


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She was only using one saber after using Jar'Kai for pretty much her entire life.



Same in Dark Disciple. She's fully adept in the use of 1 Saber.

Also Savage didn't even unleash his Beastly Tk in that fight.

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Ventress is so weak.


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Same in Dark Disciple. She's fully adept in the use of 1 Saber.

Also Savage didn't even unleash his Beastly Tk in that fight.
You mean the beastly TK that he only gets from a rage amp, that he can't replicate on a regular basis?

Adept isn't good enough to keep up with Savage.


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Nightsister fight? erm (Dooku was blinded and Ventress had help, but still.)

The only time Dooku really ever stomped her was in OCW and DD, IIRC.

I'm talking Ventress versus them one-on-one.

I don't think you know what "stomping" is.

Its ending the fight quickly and effortlessly.

So your singular example of Ventress holding her own against Dooku is when Dooku was blind and drugged, and Ventress was invisible... with help from two other invisible nightsisters who happened to be the best warriors in the clan... and he still ultimately overpowered them. You aren't making your case very well.

You seem to have also forgotten the 2v1 with Savage, where despite having aid she performed pitifully against Dooku (i.e. She charged at him and he floored her within five seconds, he attacked her and floored her within five seconds, and she failed to cut him down for an entire 15 second period of time where he was unarmed not using the Force to keep her at bay and barely retreating).

Or the 1v1 that followed where she attacked him from behind and he immediately drove her into a desperate retreat where she was literally leaping and running away from him for 10-20 seconds before he oneshotted her with the Force.

Or in Dark Rendezvous where he just flat out telekineically dominated her without much effort.


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So your singular example of Ventress holding her own against Dooku is when Dooku was blind and drugged, and Ventress was invisible... with help from two other invisible nightsisters who happened to be the best warriors in the clan... and he still ultimately overpowered them. You aren't making your case very well.

You seem to have also forgotten the 2v1 with Savage, where despite having aid she performed pitifully against Dooku (i.e. She charged at him and he floored her within five seconds, he attacked her and floored her within five seconds, and she failed to cut him down for an entire 15 second period of time where he was unarmed not using the Force to keep her at bay and barely retreating).

Or the 1v1 that followed where she attacked him from behind and he immediately drove her into a desperate retreat where she was literally leaping and running away from him for 10-20 seconds before he oneshotted her with the Force.

Or in Dark Rendezvous where he just flat out telekineically dominated her without much effort.
Fair enough.

Conceded.


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You mean the beastly TK that he only gets from a rage amp, that he can't replicate on a regular basis?



Really was this a one-off rage amp?:

@1:52




Or this?:

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and again at 52:00 and again at 53:28?



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Adept isn't good enough to keep up with Savage.



Yeah because he's =/> her.

She regularly fights off 2 opponents with her Dual Sabers, so is used to fighting off one opponent with one saber.

She also seems to be at her peak in DD, where again she's perfectly happy using 1 single Saber as her primary weapon.

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She was losing.

First when Kenobi needed to save her by passing her 2nd Saber. Then again when she agreed with Kenobi that they were outmatched and needed to run.


Only at the point where Savage disarmed her via sheer physical strength by dodging one of her own strikes, which forced her to overextend herself.

And then without a lightsaber she proceeds to dodge all of his attacks and land several physical strikes. Obviously she was going to lose without a saber, so Kenobi gave her one.

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If you think she'd do better with 2 Sabers that's fine, but there's nothing to suggest that'd make such a huge difference that she'd suddenly go from losing to being superior to him.


Like I said, she was losing due to overextending at one point and Savage landing a physical strike. Other than that, the fight between her and Savage seemed fairly well-balanced, with both trading blows and her even stopping an overhand attack with increased momentum from his leap.

They were only outmatched because Kenobi was barely himself in that fight, being exhausted and injured, and Asajj was placed somewhat out of her element without Jar'Kai.

With Jar'Kai, her defensive coverage is greater and her striking speed is faster. She's overall a better warrior with dual sabers, and can be argued as superior to Savage.

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And let me remind you Savage didn't even utilize his beastly TK in that fight.


Probably because Ventress has similar, beastly TK.


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Even AotC Kenobi stomped Ventress.
Cestus Deception, which is closer to AotC than TCW movie, has Kenobi and Ventress evenly matched for the most part.


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Isn't the TCW movie 7 weeks after AotC? How can CD be closer than that?


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Isn't the TCW movie 7 weeks after AotC? How can CD be closer than that?
You may be right.

Either way if CD comes after it then Ventress improves enough to stalemate Kenobi, so whatevsies.


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Right, she goes from being stomped to being equal in a matter of weeks? smile


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Blame TCW for ignoring previously established power levels, not me. smile


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What, do we consider that a retcon? I've never really known the established proceedings we carry out when a vague blight on the timeline pops up. I mean. Ventress supposedly gave Anakin that scar 6 months before the end of the war. I don't think the TCW movie occurs 2.5 years after AotC.

Or does it?


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TCW ****s so much shit up, I try not to think about it out of fear of an aneurysm.


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Tbh.


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Ventress was hardly stomped by Kenobi, they duelled for some time.

And TCW isn't really compatible with Legends, besides the companion stuff.


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TCW ****s so much shit up, I try not to think about it out of fear of an aneurysm.


What is Continuity?

For Canon though it seems fine.


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