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It is not only scary, it is a awful reality. It will happen in my opinion and the U.S. is driving these people to commit the unspeakable. Europe knows this and they are extremely uneasy about it. The terror groups are working overtime to get what they want. In truth, it is only a matter of when all will happen.
Serpent... all life would have intelligence of some kind. Advanced lifeforms would have greater intelligence regardless of the species and that would include terrestrial AND extraterrestrial life.
Intelligence (i.e. power) is actually a manifestation of self-awareness. The greater your self-awareness the better you are able to control your own actions and emotions.
There is a hierarchy of consciousness. Not all entities are equally self aware.
Have you ever seen a U.S. greenback (one dollar bill)? There is a strange pyramid on the back (Illuminati symbol) … do you understand what it represents?
MS you make it sound that it is inevitable, though a strong possibility i still think it can be avoided. also do you think that it is the US's fault? you just kind sound like you feel like it is. the bad part is, though we have made mistakes in the past, we are trying to not only stabalize that region, but improve the lives of the people there. but they cant see that and are blinded by hate.
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and filled with wrath and despair he mounted upon Rochallor his great horse and rode forth alone, and none might restrain him. He passed over Dor-nu-Fauglith like a wind amid the dust, and all that beheld his onset fled in amaze, thinking that Oromë himself was come: for a great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar.
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Serpent, intelligence is not only the awareness of oneself, but it is also the ability to synthesis information coming at you from the outside world and you using it to your advantage by CHANGING the circumstances and the outcome to your advantage.
Turin, yes all of this can be avoided, but there are those working just as hard to make nuclear strike and nuclear exchange happen. I had a discussion about this with someone else. That person believed that good people will keep evil things like that from happening. No so. History teaches us different. The problem with good people is that they either don't fight back against impending darkness because they believe a higher power will save them, us, and everybody; or good people fight extremely ineffectively because they don't understand HOW to fight back. Lastly, effective fighting by good people are not backed up by the rest of us and so they are defeated anyway. Much like how what happens in THE MATRIX.
An A.I. war like the one in THE MATRIX would end disasterously for us because "good" people don't know how to fight, and bad people will make bad decisions that will kill many of us than save.
Do I blame the U.S. for its current troubles? Yes. I blame us because we americans saw the evil and darkness sitting on our doorstep beginning with the voting fraud in Florida and did nothing about it. Didn't even bat an eyelash. What occurred in the 3 years after is a tragedy that again we americans did nothing about and bought into the lie allowing our nation to be "trashed" on several levels. We did nothing. We jumped of the precipice and dashed outselves on the jagged rocks below, just like the people did in THE MATRIX.
I agree completely. Your Destiny is largely dependant on the information you possess, but then again your individuality (your Soul) is largely dependant on the information you possess.
However, there are two types of information (True and false), and there are two ways to perceive any given piece of information (positively or negatively), so volume of information alone (i.e. MASS) is not the sole criteria for self-awareness.
Put another way, even if you knew that you were connected to the Matrix, does not mean you could necessarily escape from the Matrix, but you will never be able to escape it, until you (at least) realize your predicament.
I thought you were English (U.K.) M.W.
Don’t you think you are being a little hard on George W. Jr.?
You do realize that Georgey-boy is Skull and Bones, and Skull and Bones is controlled by our light-bearing friends?
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Bush cannot be both Skulls and Bones. One or the other. I personally don't know if he is in any secret society. He may as well be, by the way he acts. I'm not being hard on this man. I don't think he is intelligent at all. He is loyal to his handlers and he doesn't stray from his purpose or mandate given him by them.
There are 2 presidents who were either a Skull or a Bone. Lincoln was a member of the Bones.
I have English and Scottish ancestry. I also have Amerind ancestry as well.
voting Fraud in Florida? how so. they counted the votes and thats how it turned out. how would the republican party be able to not count votes, or do whatever you thought they did. i hate when people say that. but MS you are right good struggles to defeat evil because many on the side of good dont or wont fight back claiming the moral high ground and that is what we are going through right now. Someone on the side of good stood up and now many of the people on his side are persecuting him for it. this is going political on us. lets get back to matrix.
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and filled with wrath and despair he mounted upon Rochallor his great horse and rode forth alone, and none might restrain him. He passed over Dor-nu-Fauglith like a wind amid the dust, and all that beheld his onset fled in amaze, thinking that Oromë himself was come: for a great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar.
Nothing exists except atoms and empty space --- everything else is opinion. Democritus, 400BC...
the consciousness of atoms? the double slit experiment can be read in a few different ways... one is that atoms make decisions, conscience decisions... so if we can harness the power of the atom (not in a nuke kind of way, but in the faster than light communication that appears to transpire between them) perhaps we can create a soul... after all, it was already created once, in life you see now... so why wouldn't we be able to do it again?
i live in florida... too many old people here to vote right. besides the electoral process is the real problem... but that is a discussion for another day...
Gravitons are the source of (generate/create) all matter (anything which is perceived).
Unfortunately Sagan was a hypocritical, dogmatically brainwashed fanatic from the cult of Atheism.
Consciousness can create Matter, but Matter CANNOT create consciousness.
To say that living things are the universes way of understanding itself is the same as saying that ONLY living things (i.e. Souls [Gravitons]) exist.
But unless you can point to some clear cut difference between “artificial I.” (A.I.) and “regular I.” (R.I.) then there is NO DIFFERENCE, so essentially you are saying the same thing:
Consciousness makes Matter!
Once again I disagree. You cannot create something which you do not comprehend.
Serpent, I am going to be VERY clear toyou here. Read PROPERLY what other people say in their posts before replying. To not do so is VERY rude.
To address your ill-constructed post one stage at a time:
"Ushgarak said:
Serpent- YES. Just because there is no perceived difference it does NOT mean there is no difference. It just means that difference cannot be seen.
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But that is NOT what you originally said:
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Ushgarak previously:
we shall have no way of realising we have done so for there is no way for us to distinguish a true AI and a perfect (seeming) simulation of one.
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That IS what I originally said. If you do not think so it is because you are either blind or stupid. There is no way FOR US to tell. Just because we cannot tell, that does not mean there is no differnce.
"Yes, but there are test which can DISCERN that one twin has cancer. What you are claiming is that even if all the tests for cancer on both twins come back negative, that one twin STILL has cancer because you SAY that he does based on no perceivable/discernable evidence. "
Again, either blind or stupid. I specified in my example that even if there was no way for us to TELL that he had it, that does not mean he does not. It is a theoretical situation of undetectable cancer- something that happens all the time. And I do not give a shit about discernable evidence- in my example the Twin still hans cancer, but we cannot see it. The fact that no-one can see it does not matter. This is REALLY simple stuff!
"Only if there is a possible way to discern a difference between the two. If there is no possible way to detect a difference, then what is gained by claiming that there is a difference based on no evidence?"
How obtuse can you be? I am saying there IS a difference but it cannot be seen. What is the point in ignoring the fact that truth is independant from observation? The twin has the cancer whether observed or not. It will still kill him. His own belief on the situation means nothing.
"“external observation” … are you implying that an entity has to be made of flesh and blood to be truly conscious? Would an intelligent alien based on a different type of physiology (say silicon) classify as conscious in your mind, or does something have to be a white anglo-saxon male to be considered sentient?"
No! I am NOT saying that! Do not put words in my mouth! How could you possibly infer that? What I said was that true sentience in an AI would not be something you can discover by external observation. This, as I say, is an aceepted fact in AI circles and is the point of the Chinese Box Demon theory which shows how fallible sentience-via-observation is.
Now, your replies are getting annoying because you are not reading what I say properly and are raising false points and observations, even saying I am saying things that I did not REMOTELY say.
This stops, clear?
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Oh, and btw- substitue 'gravitons for atoms'? I guess you think you know more than all the experts in this field to think gravitons are the answer. Even a BASIC physics education will show that is not so.
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I suppose if there was anything the Architect was wrong about, it is in that anger is more predictable than denial.
All I can say if that if posters act in a courteous and sensible manner, they will receive such treatment in return. If they act in a discourteous manner and attempt to make argument based on inadequate reading of posts then their being angry at the reprimand they receive for such behaviour is their own problem.
Now, the threads are no place to argue this out so back to the topic please.
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you guys sound like your a married couple fighting
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