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Jaggarath
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Am glad an intellectual like Kbro can educate us plebs on the art of fantasy laserfighting


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Jaggarath
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FWI, the reason why they don't have the lightsabers always aimed to hit the opponent is because those are live actors swordfighting with metal props. You're not necessarily meant to freeze-frame it, just enjoy it. In your version, they'll have to purely use stunt-doubles, which wasn't possible for the TPM fight. Otherwise, Ray Park and Ewan may be put in a hospital for a year.


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Rockydonovang
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Am glad an intellectual like Kbro can educate us plebs on the art of fantasy laserfighting

Me too.

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Ursumeles
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**** off Kbro


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Rockydonovang
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In your version, they'll have to purely use stunt-doubles, which wasn't possible for the TPM fight. Otherwise, Ray Park and Ewan may be put in a hospital for a year.

Fair enough.

So they had stunt doubles available for Anakin vs Kenobi?

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Rockydonovang
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Originally posted by Ursumeles
**** off Kbro

I was expecting a "kys".

I'm disappointed. sad

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Jaggarath
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They managed to improve the prop lightsabers by then.

It wasn't as dangerous.


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Zenwolf
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Am glad an intellectual like Kbro can educate us plebs on the art of fantasy laserfighting


You know, there were also two master fencers who did pull off a lightsaber fight that was really similar to what the PT was going with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4is7h_cgzI

So I mean yeah maybe the PT added some flare, but it's not too different from what was shown there, fast paced and energetic.

Even in the OT, duels got faster and faster.


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Jaggarath
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Cool?


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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You didn't care when fighters aren't actually fighting?
Um, as I ****ing stated, nearly every single duel in Star Wars is impractical and would never happen in the real world. The fancy spins, twirls, and flips—moves that are the crux of prequel trilogy fighting—do not happen in real-world duels because they open themselves up to counterattacks. Given this very basic fact, no one is "actually fighting." If you seriously continue to dispute this you are pointless to converse with.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I don't have an issue with their being stretches in how they fight with the star wars universe. But its plain terrible choreography to not have lightsaber attacks actually aimed at the person being attacked. And that's something only Duel of the Fates can claim to do throughout the entirety of the fight.
No, it isn't. The idea that Maul and the Jedi were swinging at air during the "entirety of the fight" isn't something I'm even going to waste my time entertaining. Plenty of prequel fights have had moments, sometimes many, of the character not executing very concise moves. I literally just watched Skywalker vs. Kenobi in Revenge of the Sith for maybe a minute and have found many inefficient moves; Skywalker vs. Dooku in Attack of the Clones is wrought with even more.

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This has nothing to do with the suspension of disbelief. It doesn't mater what universe we're discussing. Fighters who attack should have attacks that could potentially harm their opponent, that's a principle in the star wars universe that every duel subscribes to save for the one which you consider the best duel in the saga.
It does have to do with suspension of disbelief, because you're either ignoring or are unaware (I don't know why) of the other countless examples of stupid moves in lightsaber duels in Star Wars and are ridiculously focusing on the The Phantom Menace duel. You could literally write a twenty paged paper on the moronic movesets in terms of practicality and effectiveness. But here is the bottom line: I like the choreography. You don't. This isn't some concrete issue we are discussing that either one of us can "prove." If you don't like the fight due to your perceived flaws of realism, I literally don't give a single ****. So, goodbye?

Oh, and by the way, I said that the Duel of the Fates was "one of" the best-choreographed fights in Star Wars, not "the." wink


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Zenwolf
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Cool?


I'm just putting forth evidence that the PT duels while embellishing a little bit, it's not like it's anything new.


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Jaggarath
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The **** you talking about?

"New?" I never claimed that, but the video you linked was from ****ing 2015 regardless.

Begone.


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Ursumeles
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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I was expecting a "kys".

I'm disappointed. sad
Want a "kys" as Christmas present?


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Zenwolf
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The **** you talking about?

"New?" I never claimed that, but the video you linked was from ****ing 2015 regardless.

Begone.


I was agreeing with you, just adding onto what you said. Chill. I never said new?


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Jaggarath
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confused

Oh, cool.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: **** u tho


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by DarthAnt66


confused

Oh, cool.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: **** u tho


Nah it's my fault, I guess I should have specified clearer.


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SunRazer
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Tier 1:
Luke vs Vader, RotJ
Sidious vs Maul and Savage, TCWS5

Tier 2:
Maul vs Kenobi and Jinn, TPM
Luke vs Vader, ESB
Dooku vs Anakin and Obi-Wan, TCWS6
Vader vs Ahsoka, Rebels
Anakin vs Obi-Wan, RotS

Tier 3
Grievous vs Ki Adi Mundi & co., CW
Anakin vs Ventress, CW
Kylo Ren and Rey vs Praetorian Guards, TLJ
Kenobi vs Maul and Savage, TCWS5
Anakin and Obi-Wan vs Dooku, RotS


Dooku vs Anakin/Obi-Wan in S6 and Ahsoka vs Vader are probably tier 3 for me, but otherwise I'm in agreement.

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ares834
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I'm going to restrict it to the films. It's just far too difficult when you include the cartoons.

1. Vader vs Luke (ESB)
2. Vader vs Luke (RotJ)
3. Kylo and Rey vs Praetorian Guards
4. Qui-gon and Obi-Wan vs Maul
5. Yoda vs Sidious
6. Rey vs Kylo
7. Anakin and Obi-Wan vs Dooku (RotS)
8. Anakin vs Obi-Wan
9. Obi-Wan vs Vader (ANH)
10. Grievous vs Obi-Wan

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The Ellimist
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If you want an in-universe rationalization for stage fighting: pre-cog and the Force change everything and make flashy moves a lot more plausible.


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Rockydonovang
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@Joker:

Can we drop the whole, "this is subjective!" thing. Yes, it's subjective, as is literally any discussion regarding creative work. That doesn't mean we can't disagree about things and discuss why we disagree.

Anyway, my point is this: Yes, most lightsaver duels have a great degree of unrealistic maunevers. That doesn't mean these duels are equally unrealistic. For example, Anakin vs Kenobi has a stupid sequence where their spin their blade for several seconds before clashing.'That said, Anakin vs Kenobi, like just about any duel aside from the duel of the fates had a vast majority of attacks aimed at the opponent. Duel of the Fates on the other hand had virtually all its attacks aimed, at best, at an opposing lightsaber. This kikls the duel in my book because there's a lack of suspense of threat you expect from a fight.

If you value it looking cool over that, fine, we can agree to disagree, but let's not engage in false equivalencies.

The other duels in the saga, flashy or not, had attacks aimed at the opponent, hence it looked like they were actually fighting, The duel of the fates featured almost no attacks that could have harmed anyone, hence it didn't seem like they were fighting.

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