Rockydonovang
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Reading the thread. For the Vader section, you can scale Rebels Maul off Vader's LOTS showings like:
quote: Vader, too, lifted a hand and reached out with the Force toward the other ship.
Vader enmeshed himself in the Force, in his seething, ever-present wrath, and used it to take hold of the freighter and drive the entire ship toward the ground. He grunted with the effort, his respirator increasing his rate of breathing to account for the exertion.
The ship, its damaged engines unable to compensate enough against the downward push of Vader's power, went nose-down and streaked into the ground. Vader imagined the screams of the pilots as they watched the forest race toward them. The ship disappeared behind the tree line and exploded into a fireball that reached above the forest's canopy and caused the ground to vibrate. A cloud of black smoke rose into the darkening sky. A second boom sounded behind him, his Master having driven the second ship into the ground the same way. The forest went silent for a moment in the wake of the explosions, with only Vader's breathing to disrupt the quiet, before the howls and chirps and squeals of Ryloth's fauna returned. Vader, his Master, and the two Royal Guards stood untouched amid the smoking craters of blasterfire that pockmarked the terrain. The Royal Guards gazed at Vader, at his Master, and Vader imagined the looks of wonder they must have under their helmets. They knew the Emperor had power, though Vader doubted they'd ever seen it so nakedly displayed.
-- Lords Of The Sith
Worth noting that ship could hold almost twice as many people as the ship TCW Maul dragged off a cliff.
There's also this:
quote: He fell deeply into the Force and loosed a wave of power from his outstretched hand that filled the circumference of the tunnel. The blast slammed into the charging horde, cracking exoskeletons, shattering stalagmites, and driving a score or more of the lyleks in the lead backward in a shower of broken bodies and broken stone. They squealed and chittered and flailed, and the lyleks following after scrambled over the fallen and wounded, their eyes fixed on Vader.
-- Lords Of The Sith
Lileks have lightsaber resistant armor.
This is bullshit though:
quote: He was also implied to be her superior both in the episode and on starwars.comp
Even if we take a quote that doesn't reference Maul's combat abilities to refer to Maul's combat abilities, Malchor's a nexus:
quote: question: "can you explain/justify/defend the inquisitors being able to fly on their spinning lightsabers"
Henry Gilroy: "There's an A answer and there's a B answer. The A answer is usually my go to easiest answer which is that you have to ask Dave Filoni. The B answer I would say is a longer mythological discussion and it relates specifically to Malachor, and how it is the home of this Sith Temple."
https://youtu.be/VebE-ZMQ9CQ?t=16s (31: 40)
If it isn't obvious already, the previous episode shows us temples aid force users of the appropriate alignment:
quote: The Jedi temple Kanan brings Ezra to is located in Lothal's highlands. The energy of the Force radiates from the central temple spire. Ezra listens to the secrets of the ruins as he presses his hands upon the icy stone. He senses that the temple will allow both him and Kanan to enter.
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And there's this, which, unlike your sw,com quote, directly references Ahsoka's combat abilities:
quote: "We used to have this problem in Clone Wars when we would try to put Yoda in a story and it would be like, “Yeah, if Yoda’s there, this isn’t really a problem is it?” That’s because Yoda’s going to go in there and kick everyone’s butt. We all felt that Ahsoka, the only person that could really match her in this time period, blow for blow, would be Vader or the Emperor."
Feloni,
http://www.starwars.com/news/dave-f...ason-two-part-1
Jan 27th, 2018 04:15 AM
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The Ahsoka Maul fought on Malachor is the same one who fought Vader; him being implied to be superior to her, along with the rest of the evidence, leaves Maul in good standing relative to Vader. No need to get torn up about it.
Your last quote makes no sense because neither Maul or Obi were on the scene in the context they are discussing Ahsoka. He evidently can go blow to blow with her, because that's what he did.
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Jan 27th, 2018 04:18 AM
Rockydonovang
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ILS
[B]The Ahsoka Maul fought on Malachor is the same one who fought Vader; him being implied to be superior to her, along with the rest of the evidence, leaves Maul in good standing relative to Vader. No need to get torn up about it.
You got me, you error had me seething with rage.
I'm aware you can scale Maul off of Vader, hence whjy I provided you with Vader's pre-rebels feats.
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Your last quote makes no sense because neither Maul or Obi were on the scene in the context they are discussing Ahsoka. He evidently can go blow to blow with her, because that's what he did.
Not sure how you're twisting going blow for blow into matching blow for blow.
Yes Maul can go blow for blow with Ahsoka, she can't match her, as an equal , blow for blow on even ground. This is supported by the episode you cite where Ashoka matches and even drives Maul back in spite of their fight taking place on a darkside nexus.
Jan 27th, 2018 04:24 AM
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Now you're just reaching.
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Jan 27th, 2018 04:28 AM
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To make my point clearer, "blow for blow" would imply you can match someone to the extent you can match each of their blows. This didn't happen in Ahsoka and Maul's fight where Maul was sent staggering back with Ahsoka's first blow and then gets driven back with some of her other blows. The episode cements what the quote implies.
Jan 27th, 2018 04:29 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ILS
Now you're just reaching.
Uh, no, I'm reading the text as it is. You can compete with Ahsoka without being able to "really match Ahsoka blow for blow."
Ahsoka's performance vs Maul on a nexus should make obvious Maul wouldn't match Ahsoka as a perfect equal on even ground.
Kenobi isn't relevant as the quote was clearly referring to potential enemies(which Maul is).
Jan 27th, 2018 04:31 AM
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I'm almost certain the quote is discussing the galaxy/show pre-Maul, which is why I don't care about your conjecture. If you want you can provide the original source of the quote and we can take a look at it.
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Jan 27th, 2018 04:31 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ILS
[B]I'm almost certain the quote is discussing the galaxy/show pre-Maul
The quote references the time period as a whole, so no.
quote: If you want you can provide the original source of the quote and we can take a look at it.
Didn't joker show you this already?
http://www.starwars.com/news/dave-f...ason-two-part-1
quote: conjecture
You mean like taking a quote that never mentions Maul's combative abilities to imply something about Maul's combative abilities?
Jan 27th, 2018 04:33 AM
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And before anyone asks, the interview was conducted after the season 2 finale.
Jan 27th, 2018 04:36 AM
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It's really fun when you interpret quotes in their full context. You should try it sometime kbro.
quote: Dave Filoni: Well, we were actually very careful. Once we brought her back , there was a lot of excitement — more than we had anticipated. The first day back in the writing room everybody was like, “Oh, this is great, we’ll have Ahsoka do this and we’ll have Ahsoka do that,” and as we’re kind of sitting there, it’s really apparent that this could become The Ahsoka Tano Show really quickly. That’s not the direction we wanted to go in for Rebels. This show is primarily about Ezra and Kanan and what they’re doing. If we focus too much on Ahsoka, we’re not showing the importance of our main characters anymore. It was important that if we had Ahsoka in the story it be in service to Ezra and Kanan somehow, that her story crossed with theirs because it was important for them. Those were the ground rules that we had going into it.
We used to have this problem in Clone Wars when we would try to put Yoda in a story and it would be like, “Yeah, if Yoda’s there, this isn’t really a problem is it?” That’s because Yoda’s going to go in there and kick everyone’s butt. We all felt that Ahsoka, the only person that could really match her in this time period , blow for blow, would be Vader or the Emperor.
He is clearly referring to when she was first introduced to the show, and in regards to her overshadowing the main cast. He even draws a comparison to how Yoda couldn't show up at certain points or he would just kick everyone's ass.
How you interpret that to mean "literally for all of Season 2, including the last two episodes where Maul is first introduced, nobody can match Ahsoka apart Vader and Sidious" - is mind boggling.
KMC has largely forfeited reading comprehension in the pursuit of blind wankery, and you are a symptom of the disease, kbro.
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Jan 27th, 2018 04:43 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ILS
It's really fun when you interpret quotes in their full context. You should try it sometime kbro.
Yeah, that context doesn't apply to the part of the quote in question which explicitly references the time period .
That Ahsoka can only be matched(or beat) by the emperor and Vader was not the point of Feloni's statement, it was evidence intended to support it.
I can read fine, yeah, your superiority complex not withstanding.
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Jan 27th, 2018 04:47 AM
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"in this time period" referring to the one he was just discussing, Ahsoka first entering the show, "first day back in the writing room," the episodes where she shouldn't outdo the main cast.
Obviously, that doesn't apply to the last two episodes of the season where Ahsoka is the focus of the episodes. Digest this in your own time.
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Jan 27th, 2018 04:58 AM
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Ur right, good catch. We still have Ahsoka matching Maul on a nexus though
Jan 27th, 2018 05:01 AM
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Ahsoka is pretty dope.
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Jan 27th, 2018 05:04 AM
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Why are you so cool ILS
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Jan 27th, 2018 05:08 AM
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Not bad, not sure about mixing Canon and Legends sources together though, but still nice.
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Jan 27th, 2018 05:08 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Zenwolf
Not bad, not sure about mixing Canon and Legends sources together though, but still nice.
Short of going through everything and labelling it, I thought it'd be prudent to just include everything.quote: (post ) It's either way for me. I don't mind if he is post or prime during Rebels, both help him in different ways.quote: (post ) Originally posted by |King Joker|
Why are you so cool ILS
The secret is [SPOILER - highlight to read]: sleep with a tray of ice cubes between your legs
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Jan 27th, 2018 05:11 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Zenwolf
Not bad, not sure about mixing Canon and Legends sources together though, but still nice.
This is like, half your posts on da forums bro. We get it, disney sucks.
Jan 27th, 2018 05:12 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Rockydonovang
This is like, half your posts on da forums bro. We get it, disney sucks.
Half? Hardly. I've never said it sucks, I might have posted some dislike of it, but at the same time I do also like some aspects of it.
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