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Qui Gon Jinn vs TPM Dooku
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Jaggarath
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Well, in regards to our discussion, I never once disputed the idea it was referring to Yoda, so I have no clue what you were talking about.


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Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Plus the DR quote from Yoda's perspective, does not refer to prowess as an overall lightsaber combatant.

The point is between Dark Rendezvous and De Agostini, it's clear that the Core Rulebook is outdated.

The Core Rulebook quote shouldn't be treated as "Yoda thinks Qui-Gon is a better swordsman than Dooku."


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On that note, I've noticed a lot of quotes around 1999 - 2000 likening Qui-Gon to the best / one of the best duelists in the Order.

I think there's a causality between Dooku / Yoda / and Mace showing their skills in AOTC and those Jinn quotes disappearing ever since.


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It's more the fact that material on Jinn became less and less available than anything else. While the converse happened for the trio due to a substantial amount of material on the Clone Wars.

Jinn's best hype( being considered one of the best duelists in history) came from TCSWE, in 2008, so clearly the idea from the start was to have Jinn be among the best.
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Jinn's best hype( being considered one of the best duelists in history) came from TCSWE, in 2008, so clearly the idea from the start was to have Jinn be among the best.


I'd say Jinn's best hype is him being the best duelist in the Order according to OOU and Obi-Wan, from 1999.

Jinn being one of the best in history isn't noteworthy, it's a given.


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The quote I cited refers to Jinn being the best lightsaber combatant, as an apprentice under Yoda. Not that he is the best lightsaber combatant as a Jedi Master. Which is why I said that it wasn't contradicted. Their growth rates as they would progress through being a proper Jedi or even padawans under Thame and Dooku respectively might not be the same.

I am not aware of any quote that says that he was possibly the best duelist in the Order as a full fledged Jedi Master.

Regardless, the idea of Jinn being among the best still hung around after that, clearly.
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I think it's evident that's not the point of the quote, but if you want to go that route the quote is utterly irrelevant.

We have the one from Obi-Wan saying Jinn is the best swordsman he'd ever seen, then the OOU saying Jinn is the best in the Order*.

*But I have no interest in sharing that one, since where's the fun in that?

and clearly not wink


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Why wouldn't Jinn be the best in the order? Nobody else has any good content and he was the one sent to fight a Sith. smile


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Do tell the OOU quote. I too have quotes putting TPM Maul on par with any Jedi in the order.

So, what are your thoughts on this matchup?
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TPM Maul is stated to be > Yoda in sword skill since 2005 by OOU, tbh.


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https://imgur.com/a/UN4F7

Maul > all TPM Jedi


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https://imgur.com/a/UN4F7

Maul > all TPM Jedi

Nig don't be sharing my quotes

Krayt sux

Don't reveal source so they can't do anything with it tbh


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Let's keep Maul > Yoda under raps for now tbh


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Just how many quotes actually do put TPM Maul above Yoda?
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Too many, and not enough.


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Any reason you aren't sharing them right now?
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Same reason the US government doesn't tell the truth about 9/11.

The world isn't ready for it.


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Any reason you aren't sharing them right now?

Who cares, anyway? They are either out-dated or retconed.
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Still, Qui Gon was a a formidable lightsaber duelist-the best his master has seen in 400 years of teaching-and has since fought in a variety of conflicts all over the galaxy, sometimes against odds that would have overwhelmed a lesser swordsman.

Credit: Core Rulebook

I know that quote, it was TPM novel. Anyway, you have to prove, clearly, that it was Yoda. And if you want to argue that it was Yoda indeed, then we may argue, that he was talking about, lets say, Ataru practicioners. Which, may be ineed a truth TBH, since Jinn could be best Ataru practicioner that Yoda had train until TPM.
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Same reason the US government doesn't tell the truth about 9/11.

The world isn't ready for it.
my n!gga


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