An insane, non holding back berserk Spidey is actually one of his only wins over him.
Not to mention, Matt's beaten Fisk, who's super human no matter what official stat books say, and held his own with the best of the best like Iron Fist.
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OH MY GOSH! MATT BEAT FISK! WHAT A BALLER!
And he was at the brink of death afterwards, right?
Wilson Fisk is just a regular human. He is big and strong to a point, where he surpasses peak humans of an average size... but in the end of the day, he is still only a regular human. Spider-Man however...
In "The Amazing Spider-Man #542" a pissed off Spider-Man beat Wilson Fisk to near death. He never got hit once. He never struggled for a moment. He could have ended the fight much sooner, but he was there to send a message. And once he delivered that message he went away, while Fisk crawled back to his jail cell.
You need to get that idea of Spider-Man actually struggling with someone like Daredevil in a serious fight out of your head - the sooner the better.
If Spider-Man wants Daredevil dead, Daredevil dies. Hell, Spider-Man would do the same to Deathstroke as well, but it would maybe take him a little bit longer than it would for Daredevil.
Deathstroke beats Daredevil. That shouldn't even be debatable.
There are levels to comic book characters and Daredevil is not on Deathstrokes level. Just like Deathstroke is not on Spider-Mans level. Just like Spider-Man isn't on Thors level. And so on.
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
He -could-. The same way any super strong character -could- potentially kill any other significantly weaker character.
going by feats though, DD has -actually- been punched by and survived hits from much stronger characters. (please log in to view the image)
What you -actually- said was:
The scan you posted then shows a fully geared DS doing that. DS doesnt have his gear in this scenario.
Anyhow, when i harp on ppl’s responses, its usually interpreted as my favoring one character.
i dont think he will be faster in fighting. matt has radar senses and combined with his reflex and agility that always allow him to hang with spidy. i do believe all those will result in a faster fighting speed for matt.
He's more agile, but not faster. Slade caught Tigorr trying to blitz him. He's also got the upper hand on Black Manta, who also has enhanced speed and strength.
but everybody got those kind of feats. gorilla grod catching flash multiple times. daredevil hanging with spiderman and being too fast for namor. eventually it all comes down to stats and majority of feats. matt has super radar senses that allow him to sense attacks and react to them with his above human reflex. combining that with his agility and he is combat wise faster than the average street. now of course, slade is not your average street, however, fighting speed wise, i never saw him presenting anything special that can defy the way fighting speed defies matt.
^^^seems like an outlier (the two have fought multiple times, so if this is the only time its ever been mentioned...), and it didnt have DD reaching around looking for him or anything.
What are you talking about? It was a fist fight. Deathstroke didn't use his sword, nor his guns, nor his other gadgets. Or are you arguing that Deathstrokes gloves added some kind of an additional impact dunring the fight?
Old Deathstrokes armor was kevlar... at the very max it was enhanced by promethium mesh, which is one of the hardest substances in the DC universe... but still... only a layer of mesh. That still wouldn't be like as if Deathstroke was wearing a diamond glove and punching Batman in the face.
Daredevil isn't beating Deathstroke and he sure as hell isn't even coming close to beating Spider-Man. In a battle board environment that is. In comics the strangest things can happen.
So in other words... Deathstroke without his armor is like Tony Stark without his armor, right? From a 100 tonner to an average guy?
You're not making any sense. You created this bad match up, where one character is clearly over his head and now you're trying to defend your match up with non-arguments.
Not to mention Spidey probably doesn't have a normal metabolism, and it's never been mentioned against him either.
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Nah, Guy.
You just didnt, and arent, making good points.
You're saying DS can kill DD cuz he lifts a few tons, when DD’s taken hits from Hulk, Doom, Namor, Hyde...etc.
You SAID, that DS is faster than DD, then you forgot yoyr own reasoning and changed it to ‘Spidey is faster than DD’.
You also dont know the difference between gear and no gear. If you couldnt find a scan of Slade beating on Batman while Slade wasnt wearing gear, you shouldnt have posted any scan.
You said Fisk was a "normal man", and I posted him choke slamming, and nearly strangling Tombstone (Enough to crack Hammerheads cool.)
Do you need proof that Matt is no more a regular guy then Slade is?
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
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